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01-06-2013, 02:07 PM
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My guess:

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
Prust - Eller - Armstrong
Moen - Dumont - White
Pressbox/AHL/Europe: Gomez
Supposedly injured: Nokelainen

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Emelin
Kaberle - Bouillon
Pressbox: Weber and Diaz

Price
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That would be my lineup too, barring any player movements.

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01-06-2013, 02:17 PM
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We have a good goaltender. that's a good start.

When healthy, our offense is decent, but we have absolutely no depth.

And our defense is horrid.

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01-06-2013, 02:21 PM
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We have a good goaltender. that's a good start.

When healthy, our offense is decent, but we have absolutely no depth.

And our defense is horrid.
Not sure where you get that the defense is horrid, I think they can be above average. They don't have Stud #1 or 2's unless Markov is at 90-100%, but they have a lot of guys that bring average or above average NHL still in one area or another. St.Denis is borderline but the other 8 are legit NHL defensemen. We have 4 guys that can legitimately play 1st PP, guys like Gorges Bouillon and Emelin that bring nice elements of steady defensive play or bone jarring hits. They are a bit on the small size but well above average in skill and mobility.

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01-06-2013, 02:22 PM
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Why would Bergevin let Galchenyuk start his NHL career on a mediocre team? Let him gain more confidence in the OHL for the rest of the year and bring him up next year!
first of all, Bergevin mentioned giving him a shot at training camp to have his fate determined. Second, he has the confidence back already. His progression in November and December alone should justify that. Will his progress be better in 3 months among boys or against men? Its not like his confidence in his abilities will get any better?

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01-06-2013, 02:25 PM
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Part of me wishes we could just see Galchenyuk now, but I guess we must give it time, especially since we really probably shouldn't be giving him top 6 minutes.

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01-06-2013, 02:26 PM
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Part of me wishes we could just see Galchenyuk now, but I guess we must give it time, especially since we really probably shouldn't be giving him top 6 minutes.
I want him to wait until Nokia is gone so he can wear #15.

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01-06-2013, 02:30 PM
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Wonder if a guy like Mike Knuble would be an option on a 1 year deal to help add depth and not have to rush LeBlanc, Galchenyuk etc to the NHL.

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01-06-2013, 02:31 PM
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I want him to wait until Nokia is gone so he can wear #15.
He's already going to use 94.


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01-06-2013, 02:34 PM
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Eh, I liked #15 on him with Team USA, and that's not because I'm against high numbers.

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01-06-2013, 04:29 PM
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So we have 23 players under contract, not including Subban or (potentially) Galchenyuk, for his 9-games.

If waiver rules are in effect, we also have St-Denis who becomes a very attractive option (not only to us, but to other teams if we waived him) because he's been playing hockey all year (and playing well). If waiver rules are not in effect, I would leave St-Denis in Hamilton rather than create a headache.

If waiver rules are in effect, I would probably let go of Scott Gomez and carry 9-defenseman. Weber can play forward in a pinch, if needed at the last minute. If not an emergency, you'll always have time to call up a forward.

NO WAIVERS
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
Moen - Eller - Armstrong
Prust - Dumont - White
Gomez

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Kaberle
Emelin - Diaz
Weber, Bouillon

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WITH WAIVERS
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
Moen - Eller - Armstrong
Prust - Dumont - White
Weber

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Kaberle
Emelin - Diaz
St-Denis, Bouillon

Price
Budaj

* Dumont would be on trial until Nokelainen returns from injury. And yes, I'd rather have Noke in the lineup than Gomez.

* If Galchenyuk earns a 9-game trial, I'd place him on Plekanec's wing, moving Bourque down to play with Moen & Eller.

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01-06-2013, 04:32 PM
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Wonder if a guy like Mike Knuble would be an option on a 1 year deal to help add depth and not have to rush LeBlanc, Galchenyuk etc to the NHL.
I'm a huge Mike Knuble fan. He would probably look great with Moen & Eller.

My only question is - he was starting to slow down a lot last year. How much will the half year off hurt him? He's a veteran, but can he get his legs moving? I'd be 100% open to inviting him to camp though.

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01-06-2013, 04:36 PM
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I'm a huge Mike Knuble fan. He would probably look great with Moen & Eller.

My only question is - he was starting to slow down a lot last year. How much will the half year off hurt him? He's a veteran, but can he get his legs moving? I'd be 100% open to inviting him to camp though.
I think Armstrong would be a better fit with Eller/Knuble(or insert other UFA or addition) as he has more offensive upside.

It could go either way, sometimes older players a half yaer off acn let their bodies heal and they come back with more jump.

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01-06-2013, 04:42 PM
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Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
Eller - Gomez - Armstrong
Moen - Nokelainen/White - Prust


Markov - Subban
Kaberle - Gorges
Emelin - Diaz
[EDIT: not Commodore] St-Denis, Bouillon

Price
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01-06-2013, 04:47 PM
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Not sure where you get that the defense is horrid, I think they can be above average. They don't have Stud #1 or 2's unless Markov is at 90-100%, but they have a lot of guys that bring average or above average NHL still in one area or another. St.Denis is borderline but the other 8 are legit NHL defensemen. We have 4 guys that can legitimately play 1st PP, guys like Gorges Bouillon and Emelin that bring nice elements of steady defensive play or bone jarring hits. They are a bit on the small size but well above average in skill and mobility.
We have two legitimate NHL dman in Gorges and Subban, but the rest have a bunch of question marks over them.

Of course, Markov can be a great dman, but is there anything left in the tank? He was slow and looked weak last year.

Diaz is another wildcard here. The guy could be good if he adapts his game to the NHL.

Emelin was really bad last year imo. I don't see him as a top-6 dman.

Then Bouillon? Kaberle? St-Denis?

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01-06-2013, 05:00 PM
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Not sure where you get that the defense is horrid, I think they can be above average. They don't have Stud #1 or 2's unless Markov is at 90-100%, but they have a lot of guys that bring average or above average NHL still in one area or another. St.Denis is borderline but the other 8 are legit NHL defensemen. We have 4 guys that can legitimately play 1st PP, guys like Gorges Bouillon and Emelin that bring nice elements of steady defensive play or bone jarring hits. They are a bit on the small size but well above average in skill and mobility.
Overall it's a below average D corps.

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01-06-2013, 05:00 PM
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Commodore is not Habs property, and if we were to sign a shutdown D, I would pick Vandemeer way before Commodore who's a lot grittier and a way better fighter.

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01-06-2013, 05:06 PM
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Commodore is not Habs property, and if we were to sign a shutdown D, I would pick Vandemeer way before Commodore who's a lot grittier and a way better fighter.
I wouldn't call either a "shutdown d-man". Both guys are #5-6 d-men...Commodore is probably more like a #7 guy.

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01-06-2013, 05:07 PM
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Overall it's a below average D corps.
You're selling them way short.

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01-06-2013, 05:09 PM
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This team kind of needs Gomer to get his game back. NOt enough goals otherwise, unless someone like Eller breaks out, or Armstrong puts up 20 and no long injuries.

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01-06-2013, 05:12 PM
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We have a good goaltender. that's a good start.

When healthy, our offense is decent, but we have absolutely no depth.

And our defense is horrid.
You've got it backwards.

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01-06-2013, 05:14 PM
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You're selling them way short.
No I'm not. You're overrating them and the results agree. It's that simple.

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01-06-2013, 05:19 PM
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eller-plex-armstrong 20-25-10 55
moen-white-prust 7 - 5- 8 20
nokes 3 3 218

Roll three lines and 2/3 lines can be either or so to speak. you could also move gomez down to 3 and plex or eller up to 2 when you feel like you want a change.

Moen white prust would be a bi*(& to play against.

Markov - emelin 18 - 5 23
Subban - Gorges 16 - 5 21
Kaberle- Boullion/Diaz/St.Denis 10 -5 15 59 + 218 = 277/82 = 3.3gf per

Best case scenario in all numbers. Price gives you 2.4 against ave. Take the goals for average down to 2.7 gf per and we still have a good chance.


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01-06-2013, 05:21 PM
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This team kind of needs Gomer to get his game back. NOt enough goals otherwise, unless someone like Eller breaks out, or Armstrong puts up 20 and no long injuries.
The offense is fine if Bourque and Gionta rebound or the PP gets back to top 10. If both happen we'll be a top 10 offense. An injury in the top 6 could hurt though.

Ideally I'd like another fringe top 6 winger added for depth...Huselius Sykora Knuble type with LeBlanc banged up and Palushaj out. Galchenyuk cou8ld also be the answer but I'd rather not count on that.

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01-06-2013, 05:24 PM
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Commodore is not Habs property, and if we were to sign a shutdown D, I would pick Vandemeer way before Commodore who's a lot grittier and a way better fighter.
Shutdown D, for real? You mean Jim Vandermeer, right? He of the 10min/g, those being the softest possible minutes?

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I wouldn't call either a "shutdown d-man". Both guys are #5-6 d-men...Commodore is probably more like a #7 guy.
At this point, I don't know that either would crack our top 9...

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No I'm not. You're overrating them and the results agree. It's that simple.
What results?

Subban Gorges proved last year they are a very solid pair...numbers back it up.
Kaberle and Markov also have the numbers to back up their abilities.
Emelin and Diaz were pretty solid last yaer as rookies, we can reasonably expect 20-25% improvement on both.

Bouillon has a long track record and acn be productive in a limited role(#5-6-7)
Diaz also has shown flashes of skill and production.

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