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01-06-2013, 03:45 PM
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Gillis is a smart GM, he clearly isn't going to drop Luongo in a bad deal to avoid a little media attention.

Luongo and Schneider are really good friends, and have a perfect working relationship. They check their egos at the door, and both remain positive no matter what. It's clear Schneider is our guy and Lu will be moved when the time is right, but Gillis has the luxury of having a rock solid team that can wait for the right deal.

Florida and Toronto are not the only two interested teams right now. Edmonton has shown significant interest, and Luongo could be interested in playing there for a few years as the Oilers are gonna be a contender real soon.

Additionally, with a 48/50 game season it's paramount to get off to a good start. So much more important than an 82 game season, if you get down early good luck coming back with the travel and reduced number of games to play. If I'm Gillis, I wait 5 games into the season until a few teams start having goaltending issues because I guarantee it will happen. Look at the list of questionable goalies this year on teams that are expected to make the playoffs:

- Markstrom/Theodore
- Reimer/Scrivens
- Brodeur (age)
- Holtby/neuvirth
- Lindback
- Dubnyk
- Bryzgalov
- Dipietro/whoever else NYI has
- Niemi
- Mason/Bobrovsky

Not saying all of these guys are gonna struggle, most won't, but there will certainly be a few who aren't as good as their respective Gms believe. And when that happens, Gillis' list of interested teams grows from 3 to 5 or 6.
Panther's tandem is Theodore/Clemmensen with Markstrom in tha AHL as a call up.

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It's a good deal while luongo is still elite. How much longer will that be??? The guy is already 33 years old. Natural regression tells us we will start to see luongo decline a bit by the 2014 season. There is still 7 years left on that contract at that point. Not all GM's think only in the present.
But enough do to generate a good amount of trade buzz. Luongo's cap hit is actually the one saving grace about his deal. It is well below market value now and in the future. Many goalies with Luongo's abilities have been elite well into their late 30's.

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It's a good deal while luongo is still elite. How much longer will that be??? The guy is already 33 years old. Natural regression tells us we will start to see luongo decline a bit by the 2014 season. There is still 7 years left on that contract at that point. Not all GM's think only in the present.
Most elite goalies play well up to about 37, where they slowly start to regress.

Luongo still has 2 or 3 elite seasons left in him, and then 2 or 3 more where he is above average. After that, I think he retires as he's stated he doesn't want to play past the point of being a legit starter in the league.

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It's a good deal while luongo is still elite. How much longer will that be??? The guy is already 33 years old. Natural regression tells us we will start to see luongo decline a bit by the 2014 season. There is still 7 years left on that contract at that point. Not all GM's think only in the present.


I would imagine that Gillis is one of those GMs that doesn't think in the present. Yet he signed him to that same contract. I think you'll get 4-5 years of starter level goaltending, specifically because he has become more of a shot-blocker, than relying on his athleticism. (You can ask other fans to confirm this).


At 37-38, he'll have about 4-5 years left, and then he will decline, at which point you can use his lower salary + higher cap as a buffer for as long as you need.

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01-06-2013, 03:50 PM
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I can tell you right now Oilers wouldn't take Luongo, he'd be like "I'll need one of the big 4" *Hang up*

Andddd Devils don't want Luongo

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01-06-2013, 03:51 PM
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I could see a deal where the Canucks eat half of Luongo's cap space in the final 3 years of the contract being very attractive to some teams. Details of the new CBA are sketchy on the trading of cap space, but it was in earlier drafts.

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I could see a deal where the Canucks eat half of Luongo's cap space in the final 3 years of the contract being very attractive to some teams. Details of the new CBA are sketchy on the trading of cap space, but it was in earlier drafts.
This is a huge factor that will also decide the return for Luongo. If teams are able to trade dollars or cap along with players then Luongo becomes even more valuable.

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01-06-2013, 03:56 PM
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I can tell you right now Oilers wouldn't take Luongo, he'd be like "I'll need one of the big 4" *Hang up*

Andddd Devils don't want Luongo
Yeah a lot of team's fans seem to think that way. What happens if Brodeur isn't able to keep up with the pace of the season this year or shows the inevitable regression in his game due to being 40?

You've got a team who got to the finals last year, who also happens to have a superstar in Kovalchuk who is in his prime right now. Do you honestly believe if NJ gets off to a slow start due to bad goaltending they wouldn't take a look at Lui?

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01-06-2013, 03:57 PM
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Bjugstad
Grimaldi
Howden
Huberdeau
Knight
Kosov
Markstrom
Matheson
Petrovic
Rau
Robak
Shore
Trochek

...and I'm leaving out a lot more prospects and the entire NHL roster.

Among the usual suspects in the Luongo sweepstakes, Florida has more to realistically offer, both in quality and quantity.

Tallon will get him, just a matter of figuring out which combination of assets will get it done.

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Bjugstad
Grimaldi
Howden
Huberdeau
Knight
Kosov
Markstrom
Matheson
Petrovic
Rau
Robak
Shore
Trochek

...and I'm leaving out a lot more prospects and the entire NHL roster.

Among the usual suspects in the Luongo sweepstakes, Florida has more to realistically offer, both in quality and quantity.

Tallon will get him, just a matter of figuring out which combination of assets will get it done.
Why get hand cuffed with Luongo's contract, when Markstrom looks ready.

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Bjugstad
Grimaldi
Howden
Huberdeau
Knight
Kosov
Markstrom
Matheson
Petrovic
Rau
Robak
Shore
Trochek

...and I'm leaving out a lot more prospects and the entire NHL roster.

Among the usual suspects in the Luongo sweepstakes, Florida has more to realistically offer, both in quality and quantity.

Tallon will get him, just a matter of figuring out which combination of assets will get it done.


Huberdeau, Bjugstad and Markstrom in play?

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Huberdeau
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01-06-2013, 04:08 PM
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Huberdeau, Bjugstad and Markstrom in play?
I never said they were all in play. Just pointing out the quality and quantity of Florida's assets, and why they have an advantage over other teams that supposedly have interest in Luongo.

When looking at pieces that have a realistic chance of being dealt, Florida still has a huge advantage.

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01-06-2013, 04:11 PM
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Why get hand cuffed with Luongo's contract, when Markstrom looks ready.
Luongo has been instrumental in Schneider's rise to what looks like an elite level. That's not pure coincidence, Lu's work ethic, never give up on a play mentality, and fierce competitiveness are all strengths Schneider now possesses. The guy looks like him in warmups, and their style is eerily similar on the ice as well with a few differences.

Markstrom is close to being NHL ready, but you can't just throw a guy like that in there for most of the season, you risk significantly hurting his development (see steve Mason if you want an example of what rushing a prospect in can do). Luongo would be a perfect fit in terms of being a mentor to Markstrom, but also keeping the team competitive and in the playoffs for the next few years (which is critical if the team wants to have the cash to go out and sign a few UFAs to get to the contender level in a few years).

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Canuck fan here wanting to KEEP Luongo!

There is little risk keeping him, we have the cap space, we have 2 summers to buy him out if needed, why not have a great goalie playing every night and that incredible insurance?

The ONLY reason to trade him is to improve the team now or going forward because we get a really good offer.


Anyone that thinks our goalies would feud or there would be drama doesn't know them.
Completely agree

Another benefit is that Toronto wont make the playoffs either then

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Done.
No takesiesbacksies.
HAHA... I don't know why but every time I see somebody use that "No Takesiesbacksies" thing I crack up laughing. Just once I'd love to see a GM at the podium say it in his presser after a trade.

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Completely agree

Another benefit is that Toronto wont make the playoffs either then

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I never said they were all in play. Just pointing out the quality and quantity of Florida's assets, and why they have an advantage over other teams that supposedly have interest in Luongo.

When looking at pieces that have a realistic chance of being dealt, Florida still has a huge advantage.


But if those assets aren't in play, where's the advantage? You're listing them without including them. It's like TOR fans including Reilly on a list of available assets.


So what do you think it will take?

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Bjugstad
Grimaldi
Howden
Huberdeau
Knight
Kosov
Markstrom
Matheson
Petrovic
Rau
Robak
Shore
Trochek

...and I'm leaving out a lot more prospects and the entire NHL roster.

Among the usual suspects in the Luongo sweepstakes, Florida has more to realistically offer, both in quality and quantity.

Tallon will get him, just a matter of figuring out which combination of assets will get it done.
"Here's everything we have but 1/4 of them are in available"

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Why get hand cuffed with Luongo's contract, when Markstrom looks ready.
Please stop making sense. It only pisses off the Nucks fans.

Soon they will start ranting about Lou being a top 5 goalie now and for the forseeable future-- never mind his being benched in favor of a goalie with less than 100 games experience-- never mind his somewhat mediocre stats in 3 out of the 4 past seasons--never mind that he is 33---never mind that his 10 year contract has 7 years remaining at $6.7 million before tailing off. Oh, yes... forgot that Burke and Tallon are incompetent idiots for passing on the opportunity to acquire Lou at or before the past draft at the price set by that genuis Gillan, who is smartly waiting for an apparently inevitable offer equivalent to a top prospect and a (high to middle) first rounder plus a moderate salary dump. The end


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Please stop making sense. It only pisses off the Nucks fans.

Soon they will start ranting about Lou being a top 5 goalie now and for the forseeable future-- never mind his being benched in favor of a goalie with less than 100 games experience-- never mind his somewhat mediocre stats in 3 out of the 4 past seasons--never mind that he is 33---never mind that his contract has 10 years remaining at $6.7 million for seven more years before tailing off. Oh, yes... forgot that Burke and Tallon are incompetent idiots for passing on the opportunity to acquire Lou at or before the past draft at the price set by that genuis Gillan, who is smartly waiting for an apparently inevitable offer equivalent to a top prospect and a (high to middle) first rounder plus a moderate salary dump. The end


Shocking new material from SCF.

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Please stop making sense. It only pisses off the Nucks fans.

Soon they will start ranting about Lou being a top 5 goalie now and for the forseeable future-- never mind his being benched in favor of a goalie with less than 100 games experience-- never mind his somewhat mediocre stats in 3 out of the 4 past seasons--never mind that he is 33---never mind that his contract has 10 years remaining at $6.7 million for seven more years before tailing off. Oh, yes... forgot that Burke and Tallon are incompetent idiots for passing on the opportunity to acquire Lou at or before the past draft at the price set by that genuis Gillan, who is smartly waiting for an apparently inevitable offer equivalent to a top prospect and a (high to middle) first rounder plus a moderate salary dump. The end
Wow, what a revelation. It's not like the past year has been spent debating all of those points and then some.

Luongo for either Komisarek or Jovanovski straight up. Maybe add a pick from us. That makes much more sense now.

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Please stop making sense. It only pisses off the Nucks fans.

Soon they will start ranting about Lou being a top 5 goalie now and for the forseeable future-- never mind his being benched in favor of a goalie with less than 100 games experience-- never mind his somewhat mediocre stats in 3 out of the 4 past seasons--never mind that he is 33---never mind that his 10 year contract has 7 years remaining at $6.7 million before tailing off. Oh, yes... forgot that Burke and Tallon are incompetent idiots for passing on the opportunity to acquire Lou at or before the past draft at the price set by that genuis Gillan, who is smartly waiting for an apparently inevitable offer equivalent to a top prospect and a (high to middle) first rounder plus a moderate salary dump. The end

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Please stop making sense. It only pisses off the Nucks fans.

Soon they will start ranting about Lou being a top 5 goalie now and for the forseeable future-- never mind his being benched in favor of a goalie with less than 100 games experience-- never mind his somewhat mediocre stats in 3 out of the 4 past seasons--never mind that he is 33---never mind that his 10 year contract has 7 years remaining at $6.7 million before tailing off. Oh, yes... forgot that Burke and Tallon are incompetent idiots for passing on the opportunity to acquire Lou at or before the past draft at the price set by that genuis Gillan, who is smartly waiting for an apparently inevitable offer equivalent to a top prospect and a (high to middle) first rounder plus a moderate salary dump. The end
Literally nothing you said was correct. Also if you go look at his stats over the last 4 years have been outstanding, even in his "worst" season he had 40 wins...


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Come on, come on just someone trade for him so we can make a list of who was right or wrong

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