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THE OFFICIAL BUYOUT THREAD: Bourque or Kaberle?

View Poll Results: Who do you buy out?
Gomez 72 67.29%
Bourque 16 14.95%
Kaberle 64 59.81%
Markov 2 1.87%
other 0 0%
I only buy out 1 player 8 7.48%
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01-06-2013, 07:39 PM
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I don't want to get rid of Bourque!!! He should rebound this year, he average over 50 points per years in the last 3 years before last year. What about Gionta for the buyout or Markov?

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01-06-2013, 07:43 PM
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What about we wait till next summer to talk about that? lol.

Bourque-Kaberle-Markov-Gionta have a certain value. No point in buying them out. Also I could afford living with Kaberle-Markov-Gionta next year as they only have 1 year left on their contract. At the same time, I don't think Geoff Molson is the kind of owner that would allow a lot of buyouts, he seems pretty greedy.

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01-06-2013, 07:45 PM
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Oh just buy them all out already! Here's a pic:


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01-06-2013, 07:46 PM
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Kabs. Bourque, even with a pretty bad contract provides scorning depth. Kaberle can be replaced with a young guy.

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01-06-2013, 07:49 PM
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just get rid of gomez and kaberle, end of story

bourque can still be servicable. (and could help us tank!)
I think Gomez is better equipped to help us in that department

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01-06-2013, 07:59 PM
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I don't think Geoff Molson is the kind of owner that would allow a lot of buyouts, he seems pretty greedy.
Not sure where this perception comes from.

He approved the hiring of a small village of new front office guys over the summer even though we were paying 4 fired coaches this season (JM and all the assistants fired last year were signed for this year) and he's probably still paying PG who was signed for this year.

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01-06-2013, 08:01 PM
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A factor that could weigh in favor of buying out Bourque rather than Kaberle: it looks possible that the cap could stay the same or even decrease further in 2014-15. A 5% revenue growth per year scenario has the 14-15 cap at 62.7mil. Bourque will be two years older and his cap hit will still be the same.

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Not sure where this perception comes from.

He approved the hiring of a small village of new front office guys over the summer even though we were paying 4 fired coaches this season (JM and all the assistants fired last year were signed for this year) and he's probably still playing PG who was signed for this year.
On top of that, getting behind the habs fanbase during the pacioretty incident the way he did bought him some time with me. Molson gets the benefit of the doubt, for the time being.

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01-06-2013, 08:05 PM
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Gomez and Bourque wirth the amnesty buyouts, they are the highest dollar value (Bourque due to his contract lenght.) Kaberle should be bought out, or traded, too.


I'm ok with the habs having a bad year, I mean we all went through the Rejean era, but I am not ok with having so many of my least favourite players be on my team. Gomez I actually kinda like, he's funny and its not his fault he got a huge contract. The other two lack any semblance of effort, and it's disgusting they wear the jersey.

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01-06-2013, 08:13 PM
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I don't want to get rid of Bourque!!! He should rebound this year, he average over 50 points per years in the last 3 years before last year. What about Gionta for the buyout or Markov?
He did play against the terrible Oilers, and bad Avalanche, a fair amount during those years...

In 2008-2010 (3 seasons)

He averaged PPG against the oilers and over PPG against Avalanche.

against the other teams he was no where close.

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01-06-2013, 08:44 PM
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Kaberle for me

I think Bourque can still score 20goals, he hits, true is only when he wants but i will take that over Kaberle

Kaberle is the only player who can play with two eggs in his pockets and still have them intact at the end of the game

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01-06-2013, 08:46 PM
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On top of that, getting behind the habs fanbase during the pacioretty incident the way he did bought him some time with me. Molson gets the benefit of the doubt, for the time being.
He raised ticket and beer prices (HIS OWN FKN BEER) every year. More and more games are now "optimum" games and well, frankly, he didn't buy out Gomez when he should have.

I'm at 49% support for him, but his pretty clear anti-lockout stance definitely is a plus.

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01-06-2013, 10:30 PM
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Funny what one season can do to the perceived value of a player
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1008363

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01-06-2013, 11:42 PM
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Gomez and kaberle.

Kaberle is easily replaced and we have plenty of other cheaper options to be bad in our end.

Plus bourque elbowed backstrom in the head, can we say we have anyone else who get it done?

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01-07-2013, 12:46 AM
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Markov (yes I'm just kidding! we need Markov in our top 3...but #1 priority with Markov is that he learns how to shield/protect himself or avoid trouble/dirty-violent bodychecks a la Subban+Gorges...ok I won't go there! forget I mentioned Markov in this thread! I'm just going to hope he stays healthy for once, and if as usual he gets injured after 10-20-30 games only...I'll hope for another top 3 overall pick for our Habs!! and also for our management to finally get that young veteran top 3-4 iron-man dman we really need to replace Markov, once and for all, unless Markov stays healthy...miracles do happen).



Buyouts:
Gomez...Bourque...or Kaberle??
What if the Habs don't buyout Gomez? Is it a guarantee?
Sorry for my silly question, but...they have to buyout at least 1-2 players per season now? (or it's to their advantage since it won't count against the cap,etc?). So...in the end the Habs may keep Gomez, Bourque, Kaberle...right? it's a possibility?
(I'd give Bourque 40 games but if it's like last year...ayoye that will be torture! but I'd give him 30-40 games... Therrien won't put up with slackers like Bourque and ex-Hab-Cammalleri anyway, from what I read).


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01-07-2013, 02:52 AM
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can't make a decision right now we still have a season to play we shall see who will has to go at the end of it.

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01-07-2013, 05:01 AM
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Bourque. His contract doesn't end until forever.

Two buyouts is such a blessing for us.

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01-07-2013, 05:46 AM
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Then why the fuss over Bourque? Term?

I get the disappointment in Bourque, but at 3.3 million, I really don't see the brew-ha-ha with him nor do I see the same sense of urgency in buying him out as I do with someone like Gomez. He gets paid 800K more than Prust on similar term. Nothing back breaking. When you consider the winger depth of the habs, he isn't taking anyone else's roster spot either.

I'd like to see Kaberle bought out for the simple fact that we have too many softer puck moving D on the backend. Removing him will open up a spot for either one of Tinordi, Beaulieu or Ellis (if ready, though they may not be) or to bring in someone to complement the D core a lot better than what it is now.
Bourque will not be bought out. I'm 100% sure about that. There are more pressing needs than getting rid of Bourque. my problem with Bourque is that when he's not scoring, he's a pretty useless player, but there's no doubt we have to give him another shot. The entire team was a train wreck last year, it's hard to expect one guy to come in and change the entire dynamics of the team.

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01-07-2013, 05:52 AM
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Are there still buyouts that aren't apart of the compliance/amnesty clause? IE is there potential to buyout Gomez this year without burning an amnesty? This might sound foolish, but I believe there will be some decent talent available next off season as the majority of teams use compliance buyouts to get cap relief. There will be deals to be had and adding some flexibility is a good thing, especially if we don't expect Gomez to contribute much, which most of us don't. I'd consider buying him out now and we'll still have 2 freebies next summer.

I don't want him in the top 3 center positions, that ship has sailed. He isn't effective as a winger, and on the fourth line he brings basically nothing. If there isn't a realistic spot for him, get rid of him IMO.

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01-07-2013, 06:26 AM
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Now just to clear things up but we don't have to be under 60 mill till 13-14 right?

so we can actually wait till the end of the year to figure out who we want gone right?

I think one of them will play well enough to be traded anyways.

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The silver lnining is the short schedule, buying out Gomez is a no Brainer but I can see Borque bouncing back this year. He is capable of being a 20 goal+ player and we might want him to stay if he can turn it around. If Markov is not fully healthy, he just might retire, the guy has been through an awful lot over the last few years and is one more knee injury from packing it in.

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Bourque
Kaberle can still hit 40+ pts a season imo.

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01-07-2013, 08:33 AM
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Markov (yes I'm just kidding! we need Markov in our top 3...but #1 priority with Markov is that he learns how to shield/protect himself or avoid trouble/dirty-violent bodychecks a la Subban+Gorges...ok I won't go there! forget I mentioned Markov in this thread! I'm just going to hope he stays healthy for once, and if as usual he gets injured after 10-20-30 games only...I'll hope for another top 3 overall pick for our Habs!! and also for our management to finally get that young veteran top 3-4 iron-man dman we really need to replace Markov, once and for all, unless Markov stays healthy...miracles do happen).



Buyouts:
Gomez...Bourque...or Kaberle??
What if the Habs don't buyout Gomez? Is it a guarantee?
Sorry for my silly question, but...they have to buyout at least 1-2 players per season now? (or it's to their advantage since it won't count against the cap,etc?). So...in the end the Habs may keep Gomez, Bourque, Kaberle...right? it's a possibility?
(I'd give Bourque 40 games but if it's like last year...ayoye that will be torture! but I'd give him 30-40 games... Therrien won't put up with slackers like Bourque and ex-Hab-Cammalleri anyway, from what I read).
TSN mentioned yesterday that Montreal has about $60M committed to 16 players for next season already, and that's without Subban and (I think) Desharnais signed.

They'd need to buyout Gomez.

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Bourque. His contract doesn't end until forever.

Two buyouts is such a blessing for us.
This. Kaberle comes off the books at the end of next season anyway, and with his reputation as a points producer & PP specialist, he could be prime trade bait next year with his expiring contract. Not saying we'd get much out of him, but we oughta get something.

Bourque has the longer term deal and is essentially a junk player who's been declining for a while. He's also got a partial no-trade clause in his deal that could complicate moving him (Kaberle doesn't). Sure he shows flashes of potential now & then .. reminds me of Chad Kilger that way. Shoulda coulda woulda .. didn't.

Gomez & Bourque are the no-brainer buyouts.

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01-07-2013, 08:45 AM
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I don't see any players bouncing back with a short schedule of 48 games. Specially if said player hasn't played a single game since September.

Can teams still buyout players with the regular rule?

Also: François Gagnon at l'Antichambre yesterday hinted that there isn't any rules for the cap hit of players playing in the AHL with the new CBA. The panel agreed that if Gomez shows up at camp and can't get a spot he should be waived... No need to use a compliance if so. The 2 compliance should be Bourque & Kaberle imho, unless Kaberle gets traded before the deadline.

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