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01-06-2013, 04:57 PM
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People in the Trade's section of HF always has a fascination with completely spelling out a player's name (and those accent things too, like Selänne has).
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01-06-2013, 05:22 PM
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2 years, 8 million.
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2 years, 9 million
No way he signs something that

a) Underpays him, whilst...

b) ...keeping him as a RFA at the end of the term.

It's a 5-year term at the very least and most likely a cap-hit of $5M+ and back-loaded.

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01-06-2013, 05:42 PM
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No way he signs something that

a) Underpays him, whilst...

b) ...keeping him as a RFA at the end of the term.

It's a 5-year term at the very least and most likely a cap-hit of $5M+ and back-loaded.
B is the issue, Mtl doesn't want to take up all take up all the RFA years.

Gonna be good to see how Bergevin handles this, first big test, if you can't get a 2-3 year deal, better off to just for the max term of 8 years.


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01-06-2013, 05:55 PM
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B is the issue, Mtl doesn't want to take up all take up all the RFA years.

Gonna be good to see how Bergevin handles this.
Then they pay him $5M+/year.

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01-06-2013, 06:14 PM
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Then they pay him $5M+/year.
2 year 10m sounds fair to me..

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01-06-2013, 06:37 PM
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3 years, 12 million total.
It'll look terrible on your franchise to low-ball a potential franchise d-man.

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01-06-2013, 07:47 PM
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Montreal wants a 2 year deal, PK wants a long-term deal.

As someone else said, Price and Pacioretty both took short-term second contracts before getting the long-term big payday. Why is PK different?

Price's second contract was 2 years at $2.75 million. Pacioretty was 2 years at $1.625 million, then they both signed for 6 year extensions.

I would be happy with 2 years at $4-$4.5 million.

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01-06-2013, 07:49 PM
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It'll look terrible on your franchise to low-ball a potential franchise d-man.
4 million per year isn't a low-ball silly...

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01-06-2013, 08:14 PM
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Montreal wants a 2 year deal, PK wants a long-term deal.

As someone else said, Price and Pacioretty both took short-term second contracts before getting the long-term big payday. Why is PK different?

Price's second contract was 2 years at $2.75 million. Pacioretty was 2 years at $1.625 million, then they both signed for 6 year extensions.

I would be happy with 2 years at $4-$4.5 million.
In regards to why is Subban different, the problem is many teams don't give that 2nd term short contract like the Habs do, so a lot of guys comparable to Subban have been getting long term deals right after their ELC ex John Carlson, Fowler.

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01-06-2013, 08:30 PM
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Salaries will see a deflation with the expected lower cap. Players make 50% now, not 57%.

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4 million per year isn't a low-ball silly...
Over merely 2-3 years that still keeps him as RFA at the end?? It definitely is, silly! Please take note that I am commenting on the combinations of money and term-lengths. Did you bother noting the $4m x 5 years that both Fowler and Carlson got? PMD's have been in *HUGE* demand recently and a player like Subban with great offensive skills is vital to Montreal; more so, should Markov fail to fire.


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Montreal wants a 2 year deal, PK wants a long-term deal.

As someone else said, Price and Pacioretty both took short-term second contracts before getting the long-term big payday. Why is PK different?

Price's second contract was 2 years at $2.75 million. Pacioretty was 2 years at $1.625 million, then they both signed for 6 year extensions.

I would be happy with 2 years at $4-$4.5 million.
It is different. Pacioretty got his contract at the end of the season he got hammered by Chara and broke his vertebrae and Price got his contract after (Halak's departure, and) a rather horrendous 2010 playoff performance that saw him being tarred and feathered by the local media and fans. In essence, management wanted a "trial period", so to speak, to evaluate the players before they made long-term commitments. Subban is not in the same situation at all.

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Love that name! I think something around 5 years and 4,5 millions should do it.

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01-07-2013, 08:01 AM
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I don't think subban deserve more then 4.0 per ... Look at marc stall ,ok he is a different type of dman but he at 3.97 on the cap ... Fowler at 4.0 , Johnson at 3.75 per , Carlson at 3.96 per so I believe subban is equal to those guys I don't think he's in the same league as Myers for now who got 5.5 per .. So my gess would be 3 year at 4.0 per

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I don't think subban deserve more then 4.0 per ... Look at marc stall ,ok he is a different type of dman but he at 3.97 on the cap ... Fowler at 4.0 , Johnson at 3.75 per , Carlson at 3.96 per so I believe subban is equal to those guys I don't think he's in the same league as Myers for now who got 5.5 per .. So my gess would be 3 year at 4.0 per
Again isn't an issue of money but rather term, Carlson, Flower,Myers, all got contracts that ate up all their RFA years, and make them UFA at a young age, Mtl rather go with a 2 year deal, and then sign Subban to a long term contract when he is 25, a lot harder to get a deal with a pending UFA than it is for RFA. So you see the issue.

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01-07-2013, 10:05 AM
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More than the money, term is the issue between Subban and the Habs and in yesterday's column by Dave Stubbs of The Gazette, Subban is hinting to that.

Habs want short term, allowing them to better assess how/if he matures as a player, as a teammate, before locking him up long term. Can't say I disagree with that.

Subban, of course, loves Montreal and the spotlight. He wants a deal similar to Gorges and Price, so a long term deal.

There are plenty of teams out there who would take a flyer (no pun intended) at Subban long term. Is Bergevin willing to do it? Time will tell.

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More than the money, term is the issue between Subban and the Habs and in yesterday's column by Dave Stubbs of The Gazette, Subban is hinting to that.

Habs want short term, allowing them to better assess how/if he matures as a player, as a teammate, before locking him up long term. Can't say I disagree with that.

Subban, of course, loves Montreal and the spotlight. He wants a deal similar to Gorges and Price, so a long term deal.

There are plenty of teams out there who would take a flyer (no pun intended) at Subban long term. Is Bergevin willing to do it? Time will tell.
How bad does Subban want a long term deal? He hasn't earned more than $5M per, yet. I'm confident that he will one day. But you don't pay for that look into the future if you don't have to (and he's RFA so you don't have to). If PK would take $40M/8yrs, I'd be all over that from the Habs' POV.

If I was Subban, I'd instead ask for $8-10M/2yrs now, then ask for $60M/8yrs on the next contract after this one. I thought he was supposed to be so confident and all?

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2 years, 8 million.
I agree... maybe 9 million, but I think it'll be a bridge contract. PK still has a lot to prove, and this will keep him RFA.

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Over merely 2-3 years that still keeps him as RFA at the end?? It definitely is, silly! Please take note that I am commenting on the combinations of money and term-lengths. Did you bother noting the $4m x 5 years that both Fowler and Carlson got? PMD's have been in *HUGE* demand recently and a player like Subban with great offensive skills is vital to Montreal; more so, should Markov fail to fire.
A 2 year deal for Subban at $4M is worth a hell of a lot more than a 5 year deal at $4M if you look at the big picture. If he's proven himself as a legit #1, he's be something like 24-25 years old RFA and he probably be easily making $6M per year at that point.

As I see this, it comes down to how comfortable Bergevin/the Habs are with signing PK to a long term deal. If he's signing a long term deal - the compensation/year will go up signficantly.

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