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01-06-2013, 08:31 PM
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You guys can honestly say that the Hawks are worse than EIGHT of...

Vancouver
Minnesota
Colorado
Calgary
Edmonton

Detroit
Nashville
St. Louis
Columbus

San Jose
LA
Dallas
Anaheim
Phoenix

?????
Vancouver - Slight edge to CHI just because VAN always seems to start slow
Minnesota - Slight edge to us- Added quality players to a solid defensive system, still need some of the youngsters to make the jump
Colorado < CHI
Calgary < CHI
Edmonton < CHI

Detroit - Slight edge to us
Nashville = CHI
St. Louis > CHI
Columbus < CHI

San Jose = CHI
LA > CHI
Dallas - ???? Total wildcard here, but my feeling is that enough of their core roster has changed that this team will struggle with identity... boom/bust situation
Anaheim < CHI
Phoenix < CHI


In regards to our roster I still would really like for Pirri to get a look between Sharp and Hossa or Sharp and Kane... I feel like Sharp/Kane/Hossa are three of our forwards most guilty of not taking available shots and trying to be too fancy... I feel like Pirri could help this because he really just seems oriented towards scoring and not much else- I think putting a guy that really really wants to shoot the puck all the time could help out our second line, and really give us two of the most solid scoring lines in the NHL if it works out.

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01-06-2013, 08:33 PM
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What is interesting now is teams can trades guys but pay a portion of their contract, that portion counts against the team's cap. Should make for some interesting trade proposals.

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01-06-2013, 08:55 PM
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Ugh should make the trade thread even more of a nightmare. Didn't think that was possible

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01-06-2013, 08:57 PM
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Ugh should make the trade thread even more of a nightmare. Didn't think that was possible
It will easier for teams to unload guys.

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01-06-2013, 09:11 PM
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What is interesting now is teams can trades guys but pay a portion of their contract, that portion counts against the team's cap. Should make for some interesting trade proposals.
Glad they added that. Makes too much sense not to have.

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01-06-2013, 09:14 PM
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He and his -12 should. His defensive game is not top four material.
He's not in the top-4 to shut anyone down.

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01-06-2013, 09:22 PM
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Shortened and compacted season. Hossa starts out slow or remains hindered all year, no #2 center, Odduya plays like he did in the playoffs, Keith doesn't return to form and Crawford struggles from time to time.

Any and/or all are likely to happen, and happen to a team that has limped into the playoffs the last 2 full seasons.

Could be the perfect storm, hope not, but foreseeable.

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01-06-2013, 09:24 PM
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Shortened and compacted season. Hossa starts out slow or remains hindered all year, no #2 center, Odduya plays like he did in the playoffs, Keith doesn't return to form and Crawford struggles from time to time.

Any and/or all are likely to happen, and happen to a team that has limped into the playoffs the last 2 full seasons.

Could be the perfect storm, hope not, but foreseeable.
Well, 40 games into last season if felt like we were firing on all cylinders, I'd like more of that.

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01-06-2013, 09:29 PM
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He's not in the top-4 to shut anyone down.
On the optimistic end of things Leddy might be the biggest beneficiary of the Rozsival signing.

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01-06-2013, 09:29 PM
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Shortened and compacted season. Hossa starts out slow or remains hindered all year, no #2 center, Odduya plays like he did in the playoffs, Keith doesn't return to form and Crawford struggles from time to time.

Any and/or all are likely to happen, and happen to a team that has limped into the playoffs the last 2 full seasons.

Could be the perfect storm, hope not, but foreseeable.
Why would Hossa start slower than any other player or be hindered? He was cleared to play a long time ago.

We didn't have a #2 centre in 08-09 or the Cup year.

Oduya will likely be a mix, but he was more good than bad in his total time with Chicago after the deadline.

Keith was good last year.

Every goaltender struggles from time-to-time. Crawford will need a bounce-back season, but as long as he can be decent, that will be more than enough to get the Hawks into the playoffs.

Chicago did not limp into the playoffs last year.

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01-06-2013, 09:29 PM
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I ask for last year and you name 3 guys from the past. Great argument you going with here
Actually I was trying to make a point if you had really read my post properly I wasn't trying to give you names of guys on the free agent list last summer or a list of hidden gems hiding in Europe that only great hockey minds and scouts would know about. I just said good and great goalies can come from anywhere, not top 5 draft picks, overpaid free agents or blockbuster trades for a proven #1. Niemi would have been the guy here for awhile and he was an undrafted free agent out of Europe who back stopped us to our first Cup in 50 years, how often does a goalie come out of nowhere do that.

I"ll get working on that list for you for potential goalies for the Hawks this year and in coming years ASAP.

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01-06-2013, 09:32 PM
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On the optimistic end of things Leddy might be the biggest beneficiary of the Rozsival signing.
I think Rosival will play with Oduya, Leddy with Hammer. They seem to want to keep both Hammer and Oduya on the left side, thus Leddy moves to the right.

Keith-Seabrook, Oduya-Rozsival, Hammer-Leddy, Brookbank-Montador.

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01-06-2013, 09:33 PM
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I see Leddy with Roszival and Hjammer with Oduya personally.

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01-06-2013, 09:53 PM
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Phoenix < CHI


How so, please explain?

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01-06-2013, 10:08 PM
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Actually I was trying to make a point if you had really read my post properly I wasn't trying to give you names of guys on the free agent list last summer or a list of hidden gems hiding in Europe that only great hockey minds and scouts would know about. I just said good and great goalies can come from anywhere, not top 5 draft picks, overpaid free agents or blockbuster trades for a proven #1. Niemi would have been the guy here for awhile and he was an undrafted free agent out of Europe who back stopped us to our first Cup in 50 years, how often does a goalie come out of nowhere do that.

I"ll get working on that list for you for potential goalies for the Hawks this year and in coming years ASAP.
I read your post, you just didn't say anything of value. Every year is different. The fact they lucked out in the past means nothing whatsoever. Are you saying you just expected them to luck out and find another Niemi? That's the exception, not the rule.

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01-06-2013, 10:09 PM
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I see Leddy with Roszival and Hjammer with Oduya personally.
I see it this way too.

I think it will be better for everyone involved.

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How so, please explain?
Kind of like how US<CANADA at international play, only, doesn't mean Canada always wins.

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01-06-2013, 10:13 PM
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Kind of like how US<CANADA at international play, only, doesn't mean Canada always wins.
Exactly. Let's not pretend a 6 game sample size means the Coyotes are a better team than the Hawks, especially when the Hawks dominated the play and PHX only won because their goalie got hot at the right time and ours decided to take a ****.

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01-06-2013, 10:21 PM
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He and his -12 should. His defensive game is not top four material.
I haven't seen more than a handful of Rockford games this year but unless he regressed really badly he's on the opening day roster.

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01-06-2013, 10:23 PM
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Chicago split the first 2 games with Phoenix, with Hossa, then lost 4 of the next 5 without him. People can say Hossa didn't have any points, and that's fine, he's still an elite threat and without him Chicago's scoring balance goes to ****. Could you imagine if it was Hossa getting the chances Toews/Kane were creating instead of the likes of Andrew Brunette, Brendan Morrison and Andrew Shaw? I'm not saying Chicago would have won the series; Mike Smith did play well (even if he's a product of a system), but Chicago would have had a much better chance, especially in one goal(shot) games.

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I haven't seen more than a handful of Rockford games this year but unless he regressed really badly he's on the opening day roster.
I'm not saying he won't be, just using the thread for my opinion of what the roster should be, but he still might blossom a little more next to Rozsival, apparently Rozsival helped OEL out quite a bit.

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Seriously people. Our defensive issues are on coaching, not talent. This is probably the deepest defense we've had in my lifetime.

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01-06-2013, 10:26 PM
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Hawks D next season...

Keith-Seabrook
Leddy-Rozsival
Hjalmarsson-Oduya
Brookbank

The Rozsival signing =\= the SOD signing. I think some of us think we signed a 6/7 Dman instead of a 4/5 guy

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01-06-2013, 10:28 PM
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Seriously people. Our defensive issues are on coaching, not talent. This is probably the deepest defense we've had in my lifetime.
Agree 100%, very deep set of players, although I'd still give away Oduya, Roszival, and Leddy to have Campbell back on the second pair with hammer.

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I think Rosival will play with Oduya, Leddy with Hammer. They seem to want to keep both Hammer and Oduya on the left side, thus Leddy moves to the right.

Keith-Seabrook, Oduya-Rozsival, Hammer-Leddy, Brookbank-Montador.
I'm pretty sure Leddy has been playing LD in Rockford all year specifically because the Hawks think it is his better position - and he is a lefty so it's his natural position.

Oduya is a veteran and better suited to move out of his natural position over to RD.

I think it will be:

Hammer-Oduya
Leddy-Rozsival

BTW - I wouldn't be surprised if Hjalmarsson is a little more offensively oriented than when we last saw him because I think he was working on his offense while playing in Europe - just a hunch (and a hope).

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