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01-06-2013, 09:35 PM
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Is this the most important season in the Blue Jackets' history?

And is now the right time to fire Howson and the current scouting staff?

Columbus for the most part has had a history of making bad picks in the entry draft.

Notable draft picks

2001 :
1st round 8th overall : Pascal Leclaire. Leclaire's injury problems kept him from fully reaching his potential. He really had only one good season with the Blue Jackets in 2007-08 when he posted a stat line of 54 GP 24 Wins 17 losses 6 OTL with a GAA of 2.25 and a save percentage of .919. He was eventually traded to Ottawa with a 2nd round pick for Antoine Vermette, who was very good with the club.

2002 :
1st round 1st overall : Rick Nash. He was the face of the franchise for nearly a decade before asking for a trade after becoming frustrated with the franchise's lack of direction. He was traded to the Rangers for Artem Anisimov, Brandon Dubinsky, Tim Erixon and a 2013 first round draft pick. At first this may look like bad value, but these pieces will help the team's rebuilding process.

2003 :
1st round 4th overall : Nikolai Zherdev. Zherdev had always had issues with consistency. He put up a few good seasons After the 2005-06 season, Zherdev ran off to Russia and held the Blue Jackets hostage until the team met his contract demands. He and Dan Fritsche were soon traded to the Rangers for Fedor Tyutin and Christian Bachman. Tyutin has been really good with the team since his arrival.

6th round 168 overall : Marc Methot. The blue Jackes pulled a beauty of a pick here with Methot. Methot battled injuries in his time in Columbus but still earn himself a 4 year 12 million dollar contract with the team. After the first year, he was traded to Ottawa in exchange for Foligno. Foligno soon signed a 3 year 9.15 million dollar contract with the blue jackets and should be a good player with them in the future.

2004 :
1st round 8th overall : Alexandre Picard. Picard bounced between the AHL and NHL for years before being traded to Phoenix for Chad Kolarik. Kolarik only played a handful of games with the jackets before being traded for another player who only played a handful of games with the jackets.

2005 :
1st round 6th overall : Gilbert Brule. Brule scored just 28 points in 139 games. He was traded to Edmonton for Raffi Torres. Torres was okay with the blue jackets but had injuries in his 2 years there that kept him from playing full seasons. He was traded away for a player who played 10 games and scored 0 points with the jackets.

2nd round 55th overall : Adam McQuaid. Mcquaid was traded a year after being traded to the Bruins for a 5th round pick.

2006 :
1st round 6th overall : Derick Brassard. Brassard has been fairly well with the team since his arrival.

3rd round 69th overall : Steve Mason. Mason came in and had a really good year in 2008-09 and won the calder and was nominated for the Vezina. Since then, he has only been downhill. Last year he was probably the worst starter in the league finishing 16-26-3 with a 3.39 GAA and .894 save percentage.

2007 :
1st round 7th overall : Jakub Voracek. Voracek was great on the blue jackets in his 3 years there averaging about 45 points a season over the 3 years. He was traded along with the 8th overall in 2011 and 3rd in 2011 to the flyers for Jeff Carter. Carter stayed less than a season before being traded for Jack Johnson and a first round pick in the 2013 draft.

2008 :
1st round 6th overall : Nikita Filatov. Filatov was a bust who bounced between the AHL and NHL before being traded to Ottawa for a 3rd round pick. Filatov soon went back to the KHL and will probably stay there for the rest of his career.

I wont do the rest of the players that have been drafted since they haven't had time to impact the team much.

The 2012-13 Blue Jackets roster is expected to be this :

Umberger - Brassard - Atkinson
Foligno - Anisimov - Dubinsky
Prospal - Letestu - Dorsett
Boll - MacKenzie - Fehr (sign as UFA)

extra - Gillies, Russell

Wisniewski - Johnson
Nikitin - Tyutin
Moore - Auoin

extra - Prout

Bobrovsky
Mason

*taken from the blue jackets board

They really have good pieces in their top 2 lines, their defense, and in bobrovsky.

They also have a pretty good prospect pool :

Oscar Dansk - Goalie
TJ Tynan - Center
Ryan Johansen
Lukas Sedlak - Center
Boone Jenner - Center
Cam Atkinson - Right Wing
Jonathan Audy-Marchessault - Right wing
Matt Calvert - Left Wing
Ryan Murray - Defense
Tim Erixon - Defense
David Savard - Defense
Cody Goloubef - Defense

In the up coming draft they have :

Their 1st round pick
LA Kings 1st round pick
NYR 1st round pick
Their 2nd round pick
Their 3rd round pick (conditional on if the Rangers make the SCF)
and so on..

Using power rankings, this is where we can somewhat suggest where they end up :

CBJ first : 1st overall
LA Kings first : 27th overall
NYR first : 30th overall

With those picks they could end up with :
MacKinnon at first overall
Morgan Klimchuk at 27th overall
Ryan Hartman at 30th overall

These pieces with the current pieces they have in the system and with the team could push them into a contender spot in 2-3 years.

Leaving Scott Howson and the current scouting staff to draft the players would have a chance to screw up the rebuild. The blue jackets need to get rid of these guys if they want to rebuild a fanbase that has since grown frustrated with the team.

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If anything CBJ needs this.

#1 pick, realignment to the SE . LAK crashing out of the playoffs would help a bit. (LAK because of Kopitar out 2 weeks of a condensed season. 7-8 games)

CBJ had a .500 record in the SE

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One thing I didn't see in your analysis. John Davidson is now the VP of Hockey Operations. He'll be running the show when it comes to the draft.

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Most, if not all, of the mismanagement and poor drafting that you talk about was long before Howson (minus Nikitia Filatov, but even that I give a pass, so much talent).

Our drafting since Howson joined has actually been pretty good and all of those good prospects you mentioned in our pool were obtained by Howson and the majority of the same scouting staff.


I'm not sure where you are going with this argument at all.

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I would. Imagine their potential center depth with MacKinnon/Barkov...Nasty.

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One thing I didn't see in your analysis. John Davidson is now the VP of Hockey Operations. He'll be running the show when it comes to the draft.
When did Davidson take over? Looks like the CBJ site still has Howson listed

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Columbus has always had awful luck, and maybe it's time for a miracle. The new lottery system gives every non-playoff team a chance at 1st overall. What they need is for LA or NYR to somehow miss the playoffs (LA was actually close last year...) because of injuries or something. If they somehow got two top 5 picks from the draft lotto and got, say, Mackinnon and Barkov, they suddenly have a pretty good core to build around.

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When did Davidson take over? Looks like the CBJ site still has Howson listed
October 2012
http://bluejackets.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=84149

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Most, if not all, of the mismanagement and poor drafting that you talk about was long before Howson.

Our drafting since Howson joined has actually been pretty good and all of those good prospects you mentioned in our pool were obtained by Howson and the majority of the same scouting staff.
So much this. Howson has found plenty of late round gems or ones who look to pan out. Savard, Kubalik, Calvert, Reilly, Anton Forsberg, and most of all, Atkinson. Howson gets a lot more **** than he deserves.

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Wow that's some terrible drafting.

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Ah, so fairly recenly.

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Might be their least important season in history.

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What was the logic behind trading a 2nd rounder in McQuaid for a 5th a year after drafting him?

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The other thing the OP missed was the lines have a little Easter Egg in them. Fehr was signed as a UFA because he's an agitator who gets under everyone's skin. That's DONALD Fehr.

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Where's Johansen?

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So much this. Howson has found plenty of late round gems or ones who look to pan out. Savard, Kubalik, Calvert, Reilly, Anton Forsberg, and most of all, Atkinson. Howson gets a lot more **** than he deserves.
He did trade Voracek, a first (Couturier), and a 3rd (cousins) for Jeff Carter.

No doubt if Voracek, Couturier, and Cousins are with the organization they are in a better place.

He did get a fairly good return though for Carter in Jack Johnson and a first in 2013.

But goaltending was a problem for the team last year and he went out and traded for a question mark player in Bobrovsky. The team is basically gambling away another season hoping that Bobrovsky will play great or Mason will return to his calder season.

The return for Nash was okay as well. But he could have gotten a little bit more out of the rangers

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What was the logic behind trading a 2nd rounder in McQuaid for a 5th a year after drafting him?
Rumor has it he had some falling out with the front office and wanted out.

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Where's Johansen?
Right? Poor kid is forgotten about.

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Most, if not all, of the mismanagement and poor drafting that you talk about was long before Howson (minus Nikitia Filatov, but even that I give a pass, so much talent).

Our drafting since Howson joined has actually been pretty good and all of those good prospects you mentioned in our pool were obtained by Howson and the majority of the same scouting staff.


I'm not sure where you are going with this argument at all.
This sums it up pretty well.

I think what we and everyone around the league need to recognize is that, when Howson took over in June 2007, this is what was on the NHL roster:
- Dead weight - a lot of it
- NHL players under 30 - Rick Nash and Nikolai Zherdev
- Farm system - absolutely no NHL talent
- NHL prospects - Derick Brassard, Steve Mason

In 7 years of Doug MacLean, that is ALL that there was. How long does it take to recover from that? How long does it take to recover from the 2003 draft netting Zherdev, Dan Fritsche, and Marc Methot while everyone else is picking up all-stars?

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Wow that's some terrible drafting.
All of it by Doug MacLean, long gone.

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What was the logic behind trading a 2nd rounder in McQuaid for a 5th a year after drafting him?
It was two years later, and it was Jim Clark (interim GM) who traded him. Most likely, McQuaid wasn't going to sign and would be lost for nothing.

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Where's Johansen?
Drafted in 2010 so I left him off of my draft list. Didn't see that the poster left him off the roster

edit : added to the prospect list

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Where's Johansen?
Centering one of the top two lines in Springfield. You're right - he should be on the list.

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It was two years later, and it was Jim Clark (interim GM) who traded him. Most likely, McQuaid wasn't going to sign and would be lost for nothing.
Ah. Pretty unfortunate to lose a prospect like that, especially after MacLean had let the farm run dry.

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worst drafting team in history?

id say it for sure is their most important year.

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If anything CBJ needs this.

#1 pick, realignment to the SE . LAK crashing out of the playoffs would help a bit. (LAK because of Kopitar out 2 weeks of a condensed season. 7-8 games)

CBJ had a .500 record in the SE
Unlikely, considering that the season doesn't even start for two weeks. Kopitar should be near 100% by the time the puck drops on the 19th. Not to mention they are deep enough at center to handle him missing a couple of games.

As for the Jackets. They need revamp a lot of things. I think some of the deals they've made have been good for them, including the Nash and Carter deals, but the number one and two reasons behind their lack of success is drafting and development.

They really need to start hitting on these picks, and have success at bringing them to the NHL level. You just can't go a decade and only pick up one or two useful players to your organization. You have to be able to develop your prospects. I don't think it was just luck and all of those kids were bound to fail. Though their scouts can re-evaluate their strategy, I think the primary problem rests on the development side. There has to be a higher rate of success internally with prospects. The buck stops with the staff.

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Centering one of the top two lines in Springfield. You're right - he should be on the list.
Added him to the prospect list even though he isn't listed as a prospect on hockeysfuture and Xoggz22 left him off the line chart

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