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01-06-2013, 04:24 AM
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I've seen him alot in London and I don't think he'll be anything more than a #4/5 guy in the NHL. He's a decent transitional Dman, but not good and while he is good defensively, his lack of size (as a defensive D) and foot speed will make it alot more difficult on him in the NHL. I like Harrington at the junior level, but I can only see him being an average NHL Dman.. but, I will say, I think Harrington will be an NHLer for sure. Can't say that about every prospect.
Pretty much everything I agree with as a Knights season ticket holder. Just doesn't do anything great enough to see him becoming a high end NHLer IMO, average foot speed, average puck skills and not physical. I struggle to come up with top four NHL defenseman who don't something a lot better than Harrington. He's got the smarts but you need the physical tools to excel against the best players in the world.

Tender Rip has the right idea of his trade value, only real high end drafted prospects hold substantial trade value.

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Zbynek Michalek and Rob Scuderi have carved out pretty solid NHL careers (mainly as top 4 guys) without having any particular outstanding skill.

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Zbynek Michalek and Rob Scuderi have carved out pretty solid NHL careers (mainly as top 4 guys) without having any particular outstanding skill.
No one is questioning that Harrington can have a solid NHL career. But in a thread about his potential value, it is illustrative that you choose two players as examples who have yielded 'nothing plus scraps' as regards trade return.

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Arguably the best defensive defense prospect in the world?
This is exactly what I mean.
Do you take issue with that?

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Rob Scuderi looked to be our best defensive defenseman when we won the cup, but it doesn't mean he had great tradevalue even if he hadn't been an UFA, nor does it mean that you cannot trade for reliable ready-mades to fulfill such duties. Scott Harrington had a spectacular coming out year last season and is continuing in that vein as a defensive specialist. That is great, but before he does his thing in the NHL, no one knows that he can be dominant there. As you can never consider him to have offensive upside, that says he is looking good to be a 3rd pairing D-man and PK'er in the NHL down the line.
All I said is that that's what it should take to get the Pens to deal him. I don't care about his vacuum value - trades are not made in a vacuum, and we need a player exactly like what Harrington projects to be.

Of course, nobody can know how any prospect will fare in the NHL before he gets there. That ain't news . As somebody who's watched him very closely over the past couple years, I don't think Harrington's raw offense affects what pairing he can play on. He skates well and makes quick, smart decisions in every zone, which is all we'd need him to do as a top 4 complement, and more than we could ever say for Scuds. Nothing in his career so far suggests he isn't capable of that.

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Vaunted Team Canada just gave up 11 goals in two games with nothing but highly rated D-men. Harrington was part of that, by no means the biggest culprit, but he was part of it. Doesn't mean Canada didn't have a kick ass roster - defensively as well. They just didn't perform when they had to - much like the Pens D against Philly. Harrington - like many out and out defenders - didn't fall as hard the others also because he isn't on the ice to take chances.
Harrington was on the ice for 2 ES goals in those blow-outs, and responsible for neither - making a defenseman culpable for his team's mistakes is lazy man's scouting, TR. He didn't "fall as hard as others" because he was flat-out better.

That's why he was Canada's "player of the game" in one of those games. That's why he had his blueline's best +/- in the tourney despite getting the toughest assignments. That's also why he was selected as one of Canada's 3 best players in the tournament by the IIHF directorate...the only defenseman.

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If we are REALLY lucky, Harington will be a player in mould of a Marc Eduard Vlasic. And for him to be that, he will need to improve quite a bit, and to beat out guys like Despres, Morrow and Dumoulin, not to mention Strait and Bortuzzo in the short term, for an NHL spot, it could take a while.... for a team that surely doesn't need ALL of its D (and Kris Letang) to be made up of guys who are wet behind the ears NHL wise.
I don't mind waiting a couple years for the herd to thin out. The potential payoff justifies it. And given his mature style of play, he may just surprise a few people and leapfrog some more highly touted guys - wouldn't be the first time.

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You cannot win in the NHL with a bunch of early 20 somethings on D. It just doesn't happen. If we add two of our present stable of D-prospects over the next three years, that will be huge, and with our D-pipeline we are surely not going to fret trading a player who is most likely half a decade from progressing to a spot above the third pairing. At least we shouldn't.
I don't think Harrington's gestating time will be near that long (he's not Strait or Bortuzzo - that's really underestimating his upside). I think the Rangers have shown that a younger blueline can win if the youth is quality. We have the quality. Now it's just a matter of seeing who rises to the occasion.


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To me, I don't think his value is really high, but he's a solid prospect, and when people say he will only be traded in a package deal for a #1 defenseman, we're not saying that's his value, we're saying that's what it would take to move him, we won't move him for another prospect or a pick, the only way he's moved is if the Penguins benefit from a deal and improve.

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Do you take issue with that?
Yes, I absolutely/unfortunately do when it comes to considering who are the best defensive talents for the NHL, because that is different from being a junior standout.
Harrington is a uniquely smart young D-man and that is going to get him where he is going to go, but IMO he does not have physical abilities, skating or skill on the puck that will allow him to dominate at the next level the way that he is (quietly) dominant now.
Further, he is not likely going to be the kind of D-man who impose himself on forwards, and while he is good at blocking shots, I don't see him being particularly great at keeping forwards out his goalies crease. When forwards get bigger, stronger and faster, that will be more of a concern, as will his not very edgy play on the boards.

Harrington plays like Mark Eaton. Clearly his accomplishments so far makes it unfair to consider Eaton his ceiling, but while respecting his dependability, I just don't see the genuinely elite qualities in him.

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I don't think Harrington's gestating time will be near that long (he's not Strait or Bortuzzo - that's really underestimating his upside). I think the Rangers have shown that a younger blueline can win if the youth is quality. We have the quality. Now it's just a matter of seeing who rises to the occasion.
It is not only a matter of 'gestating time' .
It is also a matter of seeing that we have numerous other young D-men and thus don't have to treat anyone among them as someone you cannot/should not trade if it serves bigger needs. For instance, if you imagine that Despres and Morrow make it up on the big team, then I think in the medium term that is enough youngster influx, and I don't think Harrington's overall contributions will be on par with theirs, making him a third pairing D-man for the foreseeable future.
Then comes the need to always have some mature NHL defenders, and one should be able to always find one or two of those.

As for the Rangers.... I didn't know they did anything in the playoffs since Messier , but I do know that their defensive record of the past few years has a great deal to do with that guy who almost got unanimous 1st place votes for the Vezina last season despite Quick's super season.
Without a Lundqvist and a team wide defense first mindset (we have neither), I am not going to trust in the Rangers model (or St.Louis for that matter), and I maintain that I cannot remember a team that won that way.


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As a Pens fan, Pouliot over Grigs was a mistake in my eyes. Especially given the Pens Offensive vs Defensive prospect pool.
Exactly, especially after just acquiring Dumoulin.

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Meh, As long as Pouliot pans out things will be fine. I trust Shero's evaluations of D-Men more than forwards anyway and he's great at trades so he'll probably be able to flip a good young D for a good young winger a la Goligoski for Neal when the time is right.

As for Harrington, I doubt he'd fetch us much at the moment. He isn't that super valuable high end prospect. He seems like the type that's more valuable to the team he's with or he could be a nice sweetener in a package deal for a big name player down the road. Time will tell. I do like him a lot as a player/prospect though.

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As a Pens fan, Pouliot over Grigs was a mistake in my eyes. Especially given the Pens Offensive vs Defensive prospect pool.
I don't like this kind of mindset, wait until they have NHL careers before saying it was a mistake.

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Exactly, especially after just acquiring Dumoulin.
Why? They are two completely different types of prospects. Acquiring Dumoulin had NOTHING to do with who the Pens picked.

Also, this board is becoming infamous for their Grigs love. The Pens weren't the only team that passed on him, and if it weren't for Buffalo's weakness in size down the middle then who knows if they would have taken a chance on him either.

The fact is, he is a prospect just like Pouliot, who is having a tremendous year in Portland. He's SECOND in scoring among D-men playing in a much tougher league than the Q.

Pens fan can ***** and moan about the pick because it's not who they wanted, but to take anything away from Pouliot is stupid, and claiming Grigs as the greatest thing since sliced bread is even more stupid.

The Penguins don't need big centers. And even if Grigs could play RW at the NHL level, that doesn't change the fact that the Penguins have very valuable assets on the backend. Pouliot, Dumoulin, Despres, Morrow, Harrington, Maatta, Bortuzzo. There's a reason Pierre almost **** himself during the 2012 Draft.

The Pens have proven they can develop defensemen (and a lot better than forwards). They've also shown that they can flip those developed D-men for wingers a la Whitney and Goligoski.

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Exactly, especially after just acquiring Dumoulin.
Im still on the fence with the Pouliot pick, but, Dumoulin and Pouliot are two completely different kinds of dmen, why would that effect Shero with picking Pouliot?


ahh Dangles beat me too it lol

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Yes, I absolutely/unfortunately do when it comes to considering who are the best defensive talents for the NHL, because that is different from being a junior standout.
Harrington is a uniquely smart young D-man and that is going to get him where he is going to go, but IMO he does not have physical abilities, skating or skill on the puck that will allow him to dominate at the next level the way that he is (quietly) dominant now.
Further, he is not likely going to be the kind of D-man who impose himself on forwards, and while he is good at blocking shots, I don't see him being particularly great at keeping forwards out his goalies crease. When forwards get bigger, stronger and faster, that will be more of a concern, as will his not very edgy play on the boards.

Harrington plays like Mark Eaton. Clearly his accomplishments so far makes it unfair to consider Eaton his ceiling, but while respecting his dependability, I just don't see the genuinely elite qualities in him.
Harrington's toolbox is more than good enough for him to succeed in his role. He's not a burner but his speed and mobility are fine, and he's not a bruiser but he hits to separate and protects his patch of ice.

Hunter, his coach in London, repeatedly compares him to Girardi, who likewise doesn't have any of the standout qualities you mention. I think that's his reasonable upside, guys like Girardi, Hamhuis, or Gorges - none of those guys are intimidating physical presences or speed demons either. Around 6'1" or 6'2", 25 points a year and stout, reliable defense.

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It is not only a matter of 'gestating time' .
It is also a matter of seeing that we have numerous other young D-men and thus don't have to treat anyone among them as someone you cannot/should not trade if it serves bigger needs. For instance, if you imagine that Despres and Morrow make it up on the big team, then I think in the medium term that is enough youngster influx, and I don't think Harrington's overall contributions will be on par with theirs, making him a third pairing D-man for the foreseeable future.
Then comes the need to always have some mature NHL defenders, and one should be able to always find one or two of those.
Despres and Morrow aren't going to be filling the same role as Harrington though, and to be honest, I wouldn't be shocked if Harrington saw the NHL before Morrow did, in spite of the latter's higher upside.

Nobody's untradable, least of all a prospect, but I can't imagine many plausible deals involving him that I'd pull the trigger on.

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As for the Rangers.... I didn't know they did anything in the playoffs since Messier , but I do know that their defensive record of the past few years has a great deal to do with that guy who almost got unanimous 1st place votes for the Vezina last season despite Quick's super season.
Without a Lundqvist and a team wide defense first mindset (we have neither), I am not going to trust in the Rangers model (or St.Louis for that matter), and I maintain that I cannot remember a team that won that way.
I think most would argue that the Rangers have about the best blueline in the league, youth or not. Lundquist is great, naturally, but that doesn't take away from their quality. They certainly aren't the reason NYR hasn't taken it all.

More to our concerns though, we currently don't have a single defenseman on the big roster under 25. There's a lot yet to be determined, and given Harrington's performance and upside, and our weaknesses, we ought to make retaining him a priority.

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Harrington's toolbox is more than good enough for him to succeed in his role. He's not a burner but his speed and mobility are fine, and he's not a bruiser but he hits to separate and protects his patch of ice.

Hunter, his coach in London, repeatedly compares him to Girardi, who likewise doesn't have any of the standout qualities you mention. I think that's his reasonable upside, guys like Girardi, Hamhuis, or Gorges - none of those guys are intimidating physical presences or speed demons either. Around 6'1" or 6'2", 25 points a year and stout, reliable defense.
Girardi in particular but also Hamhuis are much more physical than anything Harrington has ever give indications of being, and both clearly bigger offensive threats. Hamhuis incomparably so. Even Gorges whose junior offense hasn't spilled over to the NHL produced at a much higher clip in traditionally the most austere of any of the Canadian leagues.

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Despres and Morrow aren't going to be filling the same role as Harrington though, and to be honest, I wouldn't be shocked if Harrington saw the NHL before Morrow did, in spite of the latter's higher upside.
Shocked? No. But Morrow has a stand out quality that can bring him into the league sooner than his overall capability would likely warrant a'la DelZotto. His PP skill and blast of a shot - something you can (rarely) just pick up a vet to do on the cheap. Harrington has to get in the same way Strait does/must. When we need a defensive D-man who can play on the PK... and that role is one where you can always go to the market and pick up an experienced guy, just as Harrington, like Strait has to leapfrog those unexpensive NHL seasoned players we already have.

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I think most would argue that the Rangers have about the best blueline in the league, youth or not.
I certainly would argue with that .
The Rangers have a good defense surely, but more a homogenous one than a great one, and if it wasn't for Lundqvist and the system they employ the players individually would be no way near as coveted. That is not a slight on Staal, McDonaugh or Girardi, all of whom I rate.

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Lundquist is great, naturally, but that doesn't take away from their quality. They certainly aren't the reason NYR hasn't taken it all.

More to our concerns though, we currently don't have a single defenseman on the big roster under 25. There's a lot yet to be determined, and given Harrington's performance and upside, and our weaknesses, we ought to make retaining him a priority.
Again, my point is that we have so many young D-men who are as of yet just unconfirmed prospects that we have the luxury to not treat any of them as priorities. The more we wait on, the more we are going to **** away simply because of creating a log-jam that insures these guys won't get to prove themselves in the NHL which is where genuine value is added. I know we rather agree on this which is why we are *****ing about the Pouliot pick.
For that reason also, I am really tempted to trade Harrington right now where he has a lot of positive press following his superb 2012 and being the better among Canada's D-men at the WC. Because until he gets into the NHL and shows that he can do there what he does in juniors, right now with that hype behind him he is going to be about as valuable as he will be.

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still can't believe the Pens drafted Pouliot over Trouba.
As a Pens fan, Fors is the guy Shero should have drafted.

DP's gonna have to be a stud to justify being drafted over Fors, Grigs and Truba.

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Why? They are two completely different types of prospects. Acquiring Dumoulin had NOTHING to do with who the Pens picked.

Also, this board is becoming infamous for their Grigs love. The Pens weren't the only team that passed on him, and if it weren't for Buffalo's weakness in size down the middle then who knows if they would have taken a chance on him either.

The fact is, he is a prospect just like Pouliot, who is having a tremendous year in Portland. He's SECOND in scoring among D-men playing in a much tougher league than the Q.

Pens fan can ***** and moan about the pick because it's not who they wanted, but to take anything away from Pouliot is stupid, and claiming Grigs as the greatest thing since sliced bread is even more stupid.

The Penguins don't need big centers. And even if Grigs could play RW at the NHL level, that doesn't change the fact that the Penguins have very valuable assets on the backend. Pouliot, Dumoulin, Despres, Morrow, Harrington, Maatta, Bortuzzo. There's a reason Pierre almost **** himself during the 2012 Draft.

The Pens have proven they can develop defensemen (and a lot better than forwards). They've also shown that they can flip those developed D-men for wingers a la Whitney and Goligoski.
This. Great ****ing post.

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Zbynek Michalek and Rob Scuderi have carved out pretty solid NHL careers (mainly as top 4 guys) without having any particular outstanding skill.
Actually very good examples of guys with similar tools to Harrington.

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Harrington's toolbox is more than good enough for him to succeed in his role. He's not a burner but his speed and mobility are fine, and he's not a bruiser but he hits to separate and protects his patch of ice.

Hunter, his coach in London, repeatedly compares him to Girardi, who likewise doesn't have any of the standout qualities you mention. I think that's his reasonable upside, guys like Girardi, Hamhuis, or Gorges - none of those guys are intimidating physical presences or speed demons either. Around 6'1" or 6'2", 25 points a year and stout, reliable defense.



Despres and Morrow aren't going to be filling the same role as Harrington though, and to be honest, I wouldn't be shocked if Harrington saw the NHL before Morrow did, in spite of the latter's higher upside.

Nobody's untradable, least of all a prospect, but I can't imagine many plausible deals involving him that I'd pull the trigger on.



I think most would argue that the Rangers have about the best blueline in the league, youth or not. Lundquist is great, naturally, but that doesn't take away from their quality. They certainly aren't the reason NYR hasn't taken it all.

More to our concerns though, we currently don't have a single defenseman on the big roster under 25. There's a lot yet to be determined, and given Harrington's performance and upside, and our weaknesses, we ought to make retaining him a priority.
I know Hunter likes the Girardi comparison but I just don't see it. Girardi hits and hits hard, 211 hits in the NHL last year. Harrington isn't much of a hitter playing against boys, I doubt he starts hitting playing against men. Girardi was also a significantly higher scorer in the OHL and has three ~30 points seasons in the NHL, Harrington will likely come short of that number on a stacked OHL team this year unless he gets real hot offensively. Harrington has a tiny fraction of the offensive skill Hamhuis has, Hamhuis has scored in the WHL, AHL and now NHL. Gorges is by far the best of the three comparisons but even he is definitely more physical and was a better scorer in juniors.

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Girardi in particular but also Hamhuis are much more physical than anything Harrington has ever give indications of being, and both clearly bigger offensive threats. Hamhuis incomparably so. Even Gorges whose junior offense hasn't spilled over to the NHL produced at a much higher clip in traditionally the most austere of any of the Canadian leagues.
Like I said, their mutual coach is the one who made the Girardi comparison. I doubt any of us are as familiar with both of them as they came through juniors as Hunter. Gorges and Hamhuis were about as prolific as Niskanen in terms of hits last year. I really don't think that's beyond Harrington.

I wouldn't put junior production as a major factor when it comes to projecting a defensive defenseman. It's not and won't be a staple of his game.

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Shocked? No. But Morrow has a stand out quality that can bring him into the league sooner than his overall capability would likely warrant a'la DelZotto. His PP skill and blast of a shot - something you can (rarely) just pick up a vet to do on the cheap. Harrington has to get in the same way Strait does/must. When we need a defensive D-man who can play on the PK... and that role is one where you can always go to the market and pick up an experienced guy, just as Harrington, like Strait has to leapfrog those unexpensive NHL seasoned players we already have.
If picking up a quality PK defensemen were that easy, I'm sure we'd have one by now. Again, Harrington is a class above Strait.

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I certainly would argue with that .
The Rangers have a good defense surely, but more a homogenous one than a great one, and if it wasn't for Lundqvist and the system they employ the players individually would be no way near as coveted. That is not a slight on Staal, McDonaugh or Girardi, all of whom I rate.
Well, I think it's fair to say you're in the minority, and I'd like to hear about all the teams with a better blueline.

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Again, my point is that we have so many young D-men who are as of yet just unconfirmed prospects that we have the luxury to not treat any of them as priorities. The more we wait on, the more we are going to **** away simply because of creating a log-jam that insures these guys won't get to prove themselves in the NHL which is where genuine value is added. I know we rather agree on this which is why we are *****ing about the Pouliot pick.
For that reason also, I am really tempted to trade Harrington right now where he has a lot of positive press following his superb 2012 and being the better among Canada's D-men at the WC. Because until he gets into the NHL and shows that he can do there what he does in juniors, right now with that hype behind him he is going to be about as valuable as he will be.
There isn't a logjam yet, though. And since we're obviously weak on defense and very capable of scoring, I really don't understand why these defense prospects are burning a hole in your pocket. They won't all develop perfectly, and we'll likely need a significant overhaul over the next few years.

You're right though, Harrington's value is as high as it may be for awhile because he performed very well against the best of his peers. But that shouldn't be an excuse for a team with crappy defense to trade him, that should be an reason to hang onto him.

We have other valuable, less polished assets with redundant skillsets in the pool to play with.

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Like I said, their mutual coach is the one who made the Girardi comparison. I doubt any of us are as familiar with both of them as they came through juniors as Hunter. Gorges and Hamhuis were about as prolific as Niskanen in terms of hits last year. I really don't think that's beyond Harrington.
He is not a hitter. It is not his style.

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I wouldn't put junior production as a major factor when it comes to projecting a defensive defenseman. It's not and won't be a staple of his game.
Me and bruinsfan46 are not merely projecting on one aspect of Harrington's tool box. Neither are you when comparing Harrington with players playing a similar brand of D WHILE having other valuable qualities Harrington does not. If they didn't have those additional qualities, they wouldn't be the assets they are.
Btw. Gorges only became a real asset in a value sense after ROCKING with Gill as the Habs booted us and the Caps. Ie. after he had been playing in the NHL for three full seasons and developed to an NHL shutdown D-man.

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If picking up a quality PK defensemen were that easy, I'm sure we'd have one by now. Again, Harrington is a class above Strait.
I believe our PK was top3 in the league all of last season, until our system imploded/was obliterated against Philly.
I also believe that our most hated on D-men had always been excellent PK'ers with their previous teams and were so, predominantly, for us as well. Will be so going forward also, most likely.
It was not the individual quality of our PK'ers that got stood up. Philly just had us figured out and executed splendidly, Bylsma never made any adjustments to what was obviously killing us and MAF was Swiss cheese to boot. Debacle? Oh boy, yes!

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Well, I think it's fair to say you're in the minority, and I'd like to hear about all the teams with a better blueline.
I like St.Louis, L.A, Vancouver, San Jose and arguably Boston as better D from a player by player point of view.

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There isn't a logjam yet, though.
There is for Harrington and anyone currently seen as a D-prospect within our organization.

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And since we're obviously weak on defense and very capable of scoring, I really don't understand why these defense prospects are burning a hole in your pocket.
Because they're the only assets we have to trade. Whether it is Harrington or someone else. I am no more gung ho on dealing Harrington than I am on dealing Pouliot or Dumoulin for instance. I just opine that neither of them are important for us, although one day of course they could be if they are the ones making it through.

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You're right though, Harrington's value is as high as it may be for awhile because he performed very well against the best of his peers. But that shouldn't be an excuse for a team with crappy defense to trade him, that should be an reason to hang onto him.
I don't see why a Dumoulin for instance projects to be inferior to Harrington. But again, I would have no problems dealing any of them.... but would want serious returns for guys like Despres and Morrow.

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We have other valuable, less polished assets with redundant skillsets in the pool to play with.
Yes, in the D-group there are many. Again, I care less about which ones among the D-men we end up trading. I am not arguing that we should deal Harrington, only that I don't see how he is particularly important to hang on to.
We are going to have to get someone ready-made/NHL potty trained to complement the youth infusion too at some point though, and I don't care whether such a player takes the role of Harrison, Despres or whoever. We are in a win now mode after all... and young D-cores don't translate well with that.


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He's a pretty unique player. A lot of defensive defensemen can't move the puck like him. I don't ever think he'll be a big stat guy but he's a good transitional player. He kind of plays like Rod Langway.
I would start with josh georges and see how he pans out before using one of the greatest shutdown guy in NHL history... But I agree with the overall comment, he's the kind of guy that is more valuable to a ream than stats would lead you to believe

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still can't believe the Pens drafted Pouliot over Trouba.
+1. Trouba looked amazing at the WJC

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Harrington looks almost like the Leafs Jesse Blacker. Pretty sound defensively, good foot-speed, rarely out of position and always there to make the good defensive play. I have noticed from seeing him live that he's starting to join the rush alot more now as well. Just reminds me of what I saw in Harrington in the WJC

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Tough to say. I have seen him get knocked around at the junior level (at times). He plays a very good defensive game, whether its NHL caliber or not is another question. Project player.

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Out of all of the Pens D prospects, Harrington is one of the ones I'd rather hang onto. Not saying he is the best of the bunch, but he is unique in that he can fill a role the others can't. I'd be happy if he plays a 2nd/3rd pairing role as a consistently solid defensive d-man over his career, anything more than that would be a bonus.

I'd be happy to have him play a role similar to what Eaton or Scuderi played while they were here.

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Wasn't that impressed by Harrington during the WJC. I honestly thought he was better last year. His lack of physical play makes him even less attractive in my eyes.

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