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01-04-2013, 08:25 PM
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Which makes the people who think the NHL is in danger of losing their TV contract that much funnier.
I actually think it would be good for them to lose their tv deal.

Getting only 200 million per year is going to be awful in years 5-10 of that contract. A few MLB teams get more from their local deal than that each year.

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01-04-2013, 10:41 PM
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It's not like hockey get's 2 million viewers every night. I mean sure, they get better numbers then all those NBCN shows listed but I'm surprised that the network can still survive.. Hockey is not year round or even every day during the season on the network.


They are in some dire need for some new programming.
Well it is every day from April to about June. And based on last year they went close to everyday the last few weeks of the season as well. That is a big chunk of the yearly schedule.

They need more live sports programming. Whatever they put on as far as original content is going to draw flies at this point because all of the is filler programming and right now there is no reason for a viewer to check what is in. Some of the original programming is good, it just isn't anything where viewers are going to go out of their way to see it.

The problem is Comcast is cheap and they are bidding against ESPN who has tons of money and Fox who is trying to do the same thing they are, but isn't cheap. They lost Wimbledon because of price and lost out on the Pac-12 to ESPN and Fox, which shut them out of major college sports until the Big Ten's rights come up in 2015. They also swung and missed on MLB's rights. What they ended up getting was value buys like F1 and EPL.

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NBC needs live prime time sports programming. That's the long and short of it. Even with the NHL, the ratings are pretty abysmal. Give them big conference college basketball and football and this lockout isn't killing them as much. Hell, give them the EPL deal a year earlier and they'd be doing ok. It's not that Comcast is cheap... they overpaid for the NHL, EPL and MLS. The issue when it comes to those higher profile rights deals is that Comcast is essentially only serving to drive up the price for ESPN and Fox, who won't let themselves be outbid for the big ratings getters because they're too lucrative to lose.

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01-04-2013, 10:54 PM
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I don't mind f1 racing but what is it with poker tsn shows it I just don't get it.And sportsnet in canada its okay but so political correct its a joke they fired Damian goddard because he's not the most gay friendly person.
What's your point? I'm pretty sure that someone who's not particularly Black-friendly or Jew-friendly wouldn't have very many job opportunities to in this industry either.

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Isn't it part of the NBC contract that if the league losses a full year of hockey they get paid still this year but owe NBC a free year at the end of the deal?

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I'm throwing NBCSN a bone right now by watching NFL Turning Point.

It's as good as any ESPN football show.

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Isn't it part of the NBC contract that if the league losses a full year of hockey they get paid still this year but owe NBC a free year at the end of the deal?
Yes,

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This is the same network that's paying the NHL $200,000,000 for broadcast rights while they're not playing? And ratings are down? No wonder they're a bit grumpy.

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I'm willing to bet an primetime NHL game on NBC would draw a 2.0 rating, a winter classic could draw higher imo.

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Where exactly did Gary Bettman say that
in the above linked article? I cant find it.
It was written in invisible ink inbetween the lines....

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It was written in invisible ink inbetween the lines....
Kinda what I figured. But as its about 6 hours after the fact, and fortunate no one bought it.....

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I actually think it would be good for them to lose their tv deal.

Getting only 200 million per year is going to be awful in years 5-10 of that contract. A few MLB teams get more from their local deal than that each year.
and get what exactly? $200M per year is more than the NHL ever received in its history from a US deal.

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and get what exactly? $200M per year is more than the NHL ever received in its history from a US deal.
Didn't ESPN offer more but got rejected so they could be the top dog on NBCSN?

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01-06-2013, 06:51 AM
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What else do you expect when they rely solely on the NHL for programming?

No one is going to watch Towson, Michelle Beadle or the Washington Generals.

I'm more curious on how big the dropoff will be for ratings compared to last year when the league starts though.

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Didn't ESPN offer more but got rejected so they could be the top dog on NBCSN?
I heard that too

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Didn't ESPN offer more but got rejected so they could be the top dog on NBCSN?
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Reportedly, ESPN did not even submit a final offer.

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Didn't ESPN offer more but got rejected so they could be the top dog on NBCSN?
??? ESPN offered zero dollars. Yes, ZERO. They offered to pay broadcast fees based on actual ratings, nothing up front.

So, $1 > $0 ya see.

The NHL as actually quite lucky that OLN was even considering adding them to their lineup. Now that they're on (OLN/VS and now) NBCSN, hockey gets treated MUCH better than ESPN ever treated them.

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Where exactly did Gary Bettman say that
in the above linked article? I cant find it.
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??? ESPN offered zero dollars. Yes, ZERO. They offered to pay broadcast fees based on actual ratings, nothing up front.

So, $1 > $0 ya see.

The NHL as actually quite lucky that OLN was even considering adding them to their lineup. Now that they're on (OLN/VS and now) NBCSN, hockey gets treated MUCH better than ESPN ever treated them.
ESPN offered a revenue sharing only deal in 2005 after the lockout.

They made a real offer in 2011 - when the NHL signed the 10 yr $200M/yr deal with Comcast - but dropped out of the bidding when they realized that Comcast would offer more and Comcast had a contractual right to match any offer.

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Didn't ESPN offer more but got rejected so they could be the top dog on NBCSN?
No. ESPN offered the same money they were already getting for a weekly game on ESPN2 and the Stanley Cup playoffs and finals on ESPN.

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Let's not forget that ESPN is too stubborn to let go of Thorne and let him do NBCSN NHL games. Since Billy Clement is already under Comcast control, it would be awesome to hear them call games again.

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I forgot what channel NBCSN was even on.

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It comes down to NBCSN not showing things worth watching. Some of their primetime programming was ludicrously bad, including the same poker reruns that ESPN uses as filler, outdoor shows, reruns of non-classic NCAA football, and so forth. The NHL might not be huge but at least it's something.

With the lockout, I was hoping they'd show junior/college hockey instead. Nope.

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The problem with showing junior or college hockey is those games take place for the most part on weekends. You can't exactly fill that in on Monday-Thursday which is where they needed programming.

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