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01-06-2013, 09:52 PM
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Like I stated before, Hendricks is the center on that line in my book. He's improving and as I believe Langway mentioned, if he continues to do so Beagle may become more expendable.

Keith Aucoin had better stats and they dealt him although he was aging. He could've put up the same numbers he did every single season and it wasn't enough to warrant the Caps keeping him. Why do you think Beagle isn't on a thin leash here? I'm all for keeping him on Hershey and occasional use, but he's simply not a starter on an NHL team that already has a bountiful of centers. Backstrom, Johansson, Ribeiro, Laich, Hendricks, and now Kuznetsov.

With Tom Wilson coming in, you honestly believe they'll keep Hendricks, Brouwer, Chimera, and Beagle? I'm sorry but I doubt it man.

Just adding Kuznetsov, Forsberg, and Wilson and they would have to get rid of several players. Ward is probably gone, who else would you take out?
Just whoa. Because Beagle and Aucoin are not vying for the same position on teams. There also is the how many inches, pounds and defensive skill that Beagle has on Aucoin. Hendricks and maybe Laich are the only people you listed that might actually "take" a spot from Beagle. Kuznetsov is penciled in at RW for most people on the Caps, and once again forgot to mention Sjogren who is probably Beagles biggest "threat".

How is Wilson, as a RW, a threat to Chimera, Hendricks and Beagle?

Once again, what does two sure fire top 6 forwards and project 2nd-3rd liner have to do with a bottom 6 forward?


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Haha, I know Galiev is expected to underperform but Mitchell could surprise some. He's doing well in Hershey, I believe? Scouts aren't full proof. Laich was drafted in the 6th round. Brassard and Frolik were taken ahead of Claude Giroux in 2006.
I'm a Bears STH, but I was pointing out that you had no clue what position those players actually play.

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Again, assemble a roster while keeping Beagle and adding more than three players and we'll talk. If you think Ribeiro is a one year deal you lose all credibility. One of the most underrated centers in the league.

Future prospects: Forsberg, Kuznetsov, Wilson, Barber, Galiev, Hamill, Mitchell to name a few.

Ovechkin, Backstrom, Laich
Chimera, Ribeiro, Brouwer
Perreault, Johansson, Ward
Beagle, Hendricks, Wolski
• Uh, Hamill is strictly a Hershey player.
• Barber isn't going to be playing for the Caps for at least another 3 years,
• Mitchell is more likely to replace Hendricks then Beagle. He is the closest to actually playing for the Caps and that probably won't happen until next year if at all
• Galiev won't be sniffing a Caps spot until 14-15 with out some serious off season work.
• Wilson is going to be a project. He makes some break throughs on his skating then maybe some playing time in 13-14 but more then likely 14-15 or beyond.
• Kuznetsov just signed a two year deal this Spring for Chelyabinsk. Very unlikely he doesn't play it out with the Olympics coming up, so 14-15 is very realistic.
• Forsberg does have his ELC signed and this is the final year for his contract in Sweden. Could be playing for the Caps next year, but I honestly don't know enough to say to much.

13-14 season is the earliest we're seeing any of those players and good chance not even then. There is a lot of wheel and deal time before we're even considering them for lines ups.


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And why is that? It takes two to make a deal..
He's not that old and is an extremely underrated center. Look at his stats.

I know it's not Fantasy Hockey but Ribeiro is a steal every year. Every person is like "Who is this guy?" and he always ends up producing. I've followed this guy for years. Very good player. Plus you don't give 2nd round draft picks and Cody Eakin for 1 year of ***** and giggles.

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UFAs after this season: Ribeiro, Crabb, Hendricks, Wolski, Hamrlik, Poti, Erskine, Hillen
UFAs after next season: Chimera, Schultz

Tada! I just identified the non-Beagle players to let go to make way for the steady stream of prospects that will fill the Caps' ranks.

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I doubt this though.

Kuznetsov is already 20, will be 21. Forsberg could make the roster at 19. Backstrom made it at 19. Johansson did it when he was 20 yet was a lower prospect than Forsberg. I definitley see Kuznetsov making the roster in 13-14 and possibly Forsberg if he decides it's time to make a jump. Wilson, maybe.

Regardless, my question stands. Re-new contracts of who? Ward is a given, but got to get rid of either Wolski, Beagle, Chimera, Brouwer, or Perreault for these guys or use them as replacements. Which ones do you choose?
He signed an extension this summer to play in the KHL through the 12-13 and 13-14 seasons.

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Just whoa. Because Beagle and Aucoin are not vying for the same position on teams. There also is the how many inches, pounds and defensive skill that Beagle has on Aucoin. Hendricks and maybe Laich are the only people you listed that might actually "take" a spot from Beagle. Kuznetsov is penciled in at RW for most people on the Caps, and once again forgot to mention Sjogren who is probably Beagles biggest "threat".

How is Wilson, as a RW, a threat to Chimera, Hendricks and Beagle?

Once again, what does two sure fire top 6 forwards and project 2nd-3rd liner have to do with a bottom 6 forward?

I'm a Bears STH, but I was pointing out that you had no clue what position those players actually play.
I actually do know what positions they play. I don't care what you are, you didn't read my post in the beginning. Hendricks is here to stay. Go back and read my posts, especially the ones where I say "please pick a better lineup if you criticize"

Thanks for proving my point with me with Sjogren


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He signed an extension this summer to play in the KHL through the 12-13 and 13-14 seasons.
I know he signed 12-13 but i'm not positive on the 13-14. Even if he did sign for two seasons, which when reported Yahoo Sports said "looks like Caps fans will have to wait another year for Kuznetsov" he is still going to have to crack the roster at some point.

EDIT: He signed through 2014 olympics. Not sure when he is available to the NHL, but my point stands.

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UFAs after this season: Ribeiro, Crabb, Hendricks, Wolski, Hamrlik, Poti, Erskine, Hillen
UFAs after next season: Chimera, Schultz

Tada! I just identified the non-Beagle players to let go to make way for the steady stream of prospects that will fill the Caps' ranks.
No and no.

Why do you give me defenseman to make way for a forward? They're not getting rid of Ribeiro or Hendricks after this season. I only see Ribeiro being tossed if they win the Cup. I agree with most of those players but please, Schultz will be canned if he as another season like he did this previous. Don't kid yourself.

So you're going with Chimera, Wolski, and Ward? Figuring Chimera is far better than Beagle i'm not sure they would toss him for Beagle. I know he is LW but he can and has played RW.

Figuring Crabb is barely a starter and I gave you a list of STARTERS and you only gave me two, I think I proved my point.

Like I said, you can keep Beagle as a replacement if you like or a starter until these players come up.


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He signed an extension this summer to play in the KHL through the 12-13 and 13-14 seasons.
Pretty sure he signed through 2014 because playing in the Olympics was his top priority and vibes out of the KHL was that his jumping ship would make it very difficult for him to grab a roster spot. If he can play in the Olympics and jump to the NHL he'll do it.

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I just highlighted in bold everything you said that didn't make sense. We're talking about the future, not this season. Keep Beagle for now, you have to let go of someone when these players show up.

I just want to know who you guys would get rid of. I bolded the ones i'm giving you a choice of. That's the entire point of me saying these things. I simply listed players that were already on the hot seat of losing their jobs when the new players come in. I'll give Chimera and Brouwer the benefit of the doubt for the sake of argument.

You need to find a place for Kuznetsov, Forsberg, and Wilson at least. Possibly Galiev, Mitchell, or Barber if they want to bring them up, which I don't doubt. Don't forget we also attained Zach Hamill.

Good luck.

Ovechkin, Backstrom, Laich
Chimera, Ribeiro, Brouwer
Perreault, Johansson, Ward
Beagle, Hendricks, Wolski
Players don't usually experience significant improvement beyond the age of 30. Hendricks isn't anything special, especially if you are talking about the future.

They don't need to be making roster spots for players that haven't proven to be ready to become NHL regulars this season.


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They're not getting rid of Ribeiro or Hendricks after this season.
That's not up to the Capitals.

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Players don't usually experience significant improvement beyond the age of 30. Hendricks isn't anything special, especially if you are talking about the future.

They don't need to be making roster spots for players that haven't proven to be ready to become NHL regulars this season.
If you want to keep the 5 point worthless Beagle, the inconsistent Chimera who is put on the 1st and 2nd lines (Yeah, it's that funny) then be my guest.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, though. Grammatically challenged? Please.


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Only 6 guys are STARTERS.

Next season, even if Ribeiro and Hendricks are brought back:

Ovechkin-Backstrom-Johansson
Brouwer-Ribeiro-Forsberg
Chimera-Laich-Ward
Hendricks-Beagle-Perreault
Sjogren

OMGZ!! HOw did I do that???!?!?!?111

I made a lineup keeping Beagle AND Hendricks AND Ribeiro!!!11

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Ovechkin-Ribeiro-Brouwer (lots of offensive zone starts)
Laich-Backstrom-Wolski/Perreault (Wolski/Perreault battle it out for the last top-6 spot)
Chimera-Johansson-Ward (MoJo needs to play C for his development, clicked with Chimera in the past)
Hendricks-Beagle-Crabb (energy/hitting, all capable of moving up one line
Hamill-Wolski/Perreault (Hamill has put of decent points with the Bears)

Alzner-Carlson (No explanation necessary)
Hamrlik-Green (No one but Hamrlik likely to deserve top-4 minutes)
Hillen-Orlov (Erskine against tougher teams, Hillen when they need mobility)
Erskine

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Only 6 guys are STARTERS.

Next season, even if Ribeiro and Hendricks are brought back:

Ovechkin-Backstrom-Johansson
Brouwer-Ribeiro-Forsberg
Chimera-Laich-Ward
Hendricks-Beagle-Perreault
Sjogren

OMGZ!! HOw did I do that???!?!?!?111

I made a lineup keeping Beagle AND Hendricks AND Ribeiro!!!11


Okay, you didn't even mention Wilson or the possibility of Kuznetsov joining after the Olympics (no idea how that works out, someone confirm?) and figuring the Caps usually had several people per year I don't see why Beagle would get to stay with a whopping, get this, 5 POINTS.

Plus if they even attempt to bring up Galiev and he somewhat succeeds he's gone.

Also why would you put Johansson on the first line? That is the dumbest thing i've ever heard in my life. Laich or Forsberg.

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Wait, what?

Beagle only had FIVE points as a 4th line, energy center????

Dear god, get him outta town!

Bring up the guy that can't hold down a spot in the AHL to replace him, stat! Or maybe the guy straight out of Junior hockey!! He'll surely be ready!

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Okay, you didn't even mention Wilson or the possibility of Kuznetsov joining after the Olympics (no idea how that works out, someone confirm?) and figuring the Caps usually had several people per year I don't see why Beagle would get to stay with a whopping, get this, 5 POINTS.

Plus if they even attempt to bring up Galiev and he somewhat succeeds he's gone.

Also why would you put Johansson on the first line? That is the dumbest thing i've ever heard in my life. Laich or Forsberg.


Holy crap. Today has been great. You really know how to talk to people, don't you? Besides, you're really giving yourself away when you suggest that one of the better situations for replacing Jay Beagle's near-worthless minutes is to give them to the young, just-budding kid who most deserves the slow-cooker, I assume because he's a big body, and a new toy. I don't pretend to know everything, but this strikes me as 101 course stuff.

Also why would you put Laich on the first line? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. Beagle or Barber.

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I actually do know what positions they play. I don't care what you are, you didn't read my post in the beginning. Hendricks is here to stay. Go back and read my posts, especially the ones where I say "please pick a better lineup if you criticize"

Thanks for proving my point with me with Sjogren
If you knew the positions they play then why did you say they could replace Beagle who is a 4th liner specializing in defense and faceoffs? Better yet! How does Sjogren prove anything for you? I mean he actually is a big bodied center that has some dot skills and defensive game.

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Okay, you didn't even mention Wilson or the possibility of Kuznetsov joining after the Olympics (no idea how that works out, someone confirm?) and figuring the Caps usually had several people per year I don't see why Beagle would get to stay with a whopping, get this, 5 POINTS.

Plus if they even attempt to bring up Galiev and he somewhat succeeds he's gone.

Also why would you put Johansson on the first line? That is the dumbest thing i've ever heard in my life. Laich or Forsberg.
Why should I give you a "better line up" when you act like this to a perfectly reasonable one. Wilson is a bit of a project and can easily spend a year in the AHL if not more. Ever think that Kuznetsov likes being in his home country and will honor the contract he signed? The earliest he could come over is the end of February or even later depending on how the KHL handles the schedule with the Olympics.

The Caps could not care less how many points Beagle gets if he has a high FO % and does well at containing other teams 1st and 2nd lines.

Since you didn't get this last time...

GALIEV DOES NOT PLAY CENTER!


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If you knew the positions they play then why did you say they could replace Beagle who is a 4th liner specializing in defense and faceoffs? Better yet! How does Sjogren prove anything for you? I mean he actually is a big bodied center that has some dot skills and defensive game.
Yeah, but if you get rid of all of those 75 overall guys and put in rookies with 82 overall your team goes to 99 offense and it's easier to win.

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Yeah, but if you get rid of all of those 75 overall guys and put in rookies with 82 overall your team goes to 99 offense and it's easier to win.
You figured it out sir! Well played!

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Holy crap. Today has been great. You really know how to talk to people, don't you? Besides, you're really giving yourself away when you suggest that one of the better situations for replacing Jay Beagle's near-worthless minutes is to give them to the young, just-budding kid who most deserves the slow-cooker, I assume because he's a big body, and a new toy. I don't pretend to know everything, but this strikes me as 101 course stuff.

Also why would you put Laich on the first line? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. Beagle or Barber.
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Laich has been on the first line in the past. He is not needed as the 2nd center or the third center. Where would you want me to put him? He's first line talent, do you have someone else better that is not named Johansson, figuring most people here tend to dislike him?

It's funny because the same people who say "oh Johansson is garbage and needs to earn his spot" put him on the first line with Ovechkin and Backstrom. Saw that earlier, LOL. And the same people who say "Chimera doesn't deserve to be a top line center and is better on the 2nd or third lines"?

It's either you don't like Johansson or like him. Same with Chimera. If you think both are underperforming, yet dislike Laich on the first line, who is on the first line? Perreault?

I honestly don't know what you guys are getting at by flaming and insulting someone.

Tried to have a civil conversation and attack my personal knowledge and tell me I'm 12 years old. Been following the Caps my whole life, I'm in college and actually am getting involved in my college hockey program. I'm not some ignorant kid here and don't expect to be treated like one. You're only making yourself look worse here.

Still no one has yet to answer my question if Wilson comes up what happens to Beagle. 5 points? I mean, last time I checked Boyd Gordon doubled that every single year with the Capitals from 2006 on. Heck, Bradley tripled that at times.

Are we settling for less now?

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the johansson on the first line is the dumbest thing...thing....mcphee has already mentioned that he likes the chemistry between the two swedes when they play together and sees johansson playing wing while ribiero is here. this is easy research if you read mcphee's comments about the ribiero trade.

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Johansson in games where he was top-3 in FO attempts:
45 GP
10 G 12 A 22 P
P/G: 0.49

Johansson in games where he was #4 in FO attempts:
14 GP
1 G 6 A 7 P
P/G: 0.50

Johansson in games where he was less than 4th in FO attempts (i.e., he was a winger):
17 GP
3 G 12 A 15 P
P/G: 0.88

But OMG, don't be stupid Mojo's not a winger, lulz.

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You guys must be in a bad mood figuring the Skins game or something. I'm actually a pretty cool guy with some knowledge of the sport so you could lay off with the insults and mockery.

Won't be responding to ANY posts with huge bold lettering or someone constantly mocking.

Already pointed out that I know Galiev is not a Center, but Hendricks can fill our center role if he keeps improving. Just as Langway said, that would make Beagle (get this) almost USELESS.

Already settled for keeping Chimera and Brouwer, but eventually they'll move down the lines when the new guys come in.

I have no idea why someone named this the 2013 Capitals Camp thread, I was referring to the future of the Capitals from next season to the next several years


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