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Raymond and a top-6 d-man to Ottawa

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01-07-2013, 09:13 AM
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Makes no sense for a contending team to move a player like Edler for futures. I'd say Ballard is unlikely to be moved as well, because of the emerging UFA status.

Vancouver could also address any hole they have at forward with Luongo deal.

As an Ottawa fan, we could use Ballard this year, not much need for Raymond though. Too many 1-ways and potential coming up. That being said, I think there are better UFA options than Ballard, his salary and the fact we'd have to trade assets for him.

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01-07-2013, 09:20 AM
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We moved Zibenajad to wing. He was doing well.

Zibanejad/Da Costa/Silfverberg were starting to really mesh well until Zib had to get his wisdom teeth out.

He has top line potential.

Sedin/Sedin/Zibanejad Could work for you.

We need Edler more than anyone else.

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01-07-2013, 09:35 AM
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No thanks, want no part of Raymond (aka Ryan Shannon v 2.0) or Ballard (grossly overpaid bottom pairing Dman).

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01-07-2013, 09:49 AM
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We moved Zibenajad to wing. He was doing well.

Zibanejad/Da Costa/Silfverberg were starting to really mesh well until Zib had to get his wisdom teeth out.

He has top line potential.

Sedin/Sedin/Zibanejad Could work for you.

We need Edler more than anyone else.
Fair enough, but I wouldn't move Edler unless we were getting an equivalent impact player up front. A compilation of lesser futures isn't all that appealing.

Maybe something around Michalek + Turris/Smith/Da Costa could be worked out, in which case we could instead target a dman with a Luongo trade.

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01-07-2013, 10:15 AM
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Tough to say. I'll give it a shot. Ottawa isn't going to give up any of their top flight players, but Vancouver wants to get younger/bigger, Needs a 3C and I would really like them to get a quality defense prospect ready for call-up. This trade would probably only be done if the Nucks got another dman, let's say in the luongo trade.

Edler, Raymond

Zibanejad, Wiercioch, Regin + 3rd/Smith
I'm not sure I'd do that if Edler was re-signed (especially since there is a decent chance we get him if/when he hits UFA anyway). I'm sure not doing that if he isn't re-signed first. Zibanejad is criminally underrated by Sens fans, especially since he's only 19 or 20 years old.

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What about Da Costa? Would he be available, and is he capable of playing 3C?

With Spezza-Zibanejad-Turris-Smith-Da Costa as your C depth, I'd think one might be available.
There might be a C available, although its likely Zibanejad ends up as a winger, not a center. Our center depth is more like Spezza - Turris - Smith - JOB/UFA/etc from first to fourth line. Although I'm one Sens fan that would like to run Spezza - Turris - Zibanejad - Smith and have 3 scoring lines.


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You would love Da Costa. Grit + scoring touch.

Edler, Raymond for Da Costa, Zibanejad, +

The plus depends on whether Edler resigns or not.

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01-07-2013, 10:21 AM
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Wow after reading Leafs fans talk about Luongo is worth Connolly it sure is nice to read Sen's fans actually us proper value on someone like Edler.

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Fair enough, but I wouldn't move Edler unless we were getting an equivalent impact player up front. A compilation of lesser futures isn't all that appealing.

Maybe something around Michalek + Turris/Smith/Da Costa could be worked out, in which case we could instead target a dman with a Luongo trade.
I see your point.
Problem with moving Michalek is we have few top 6 quality players.
Slotting in Silf our top six looks like this.

Michalek/Spezza/Silfverberg
Latendresse/Turris/Alfredsson
This is Alfredsson's last year.

we aquired Turris to fill the hole at 2c. Moving him opens up the hole.

Ottawa is really only able to trade futures, because it is all we can really do. I understand you wanting players for a cup run. Maybe we don't make good trading partners. Which is a shame, because I am high on Edler and Mason.

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Raymond and Shroeder for Turris is the only deal that would make a marginal amount of sense for both teams. And even then, I can say with near certainty that Ott has no intentions of moving Turris at this point.

Edler. I'd want Michalek or Cowen+ coming back... so that pretty much breaks the deal right there.

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01-07-2013, 12:15 PM
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Raymond and Shroeder for Turris is the only deal that would make a marginal amount of sense for both teams. And even then, I can say with near certainty that Ott has no intentions of moving Turris at this point.

Edler. I'd want Michalek or Cowen+ coming back... so that pretty much breaks the deal right there.
Mason Raymond and Jordan Schroeder for Kyle Turris does not help the Sens.

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Raymond and Shroeder for Turris is the only deal that would make a marginal amount of sense for both teams. And even then, I can say with near certainty that Ott has no intentions of moving Turris at this point.

Edler. I'd want Michalek or Cowen+ coming back... so that pretty much breaks the deal right there.
Wow you over-value your players so much.

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We can literally take Ballard for a pick if you need cap relief.

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We can literally take Ballard for a pick if you need cap relief.
depending on the situation that could be arranged

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We can literally take Ballard for a pick if you need cap relief.
this. no room for raymond anyways. what would it take in terms of a pick?

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this. no room for raymond anyways. what would it take in terms of a pick?
I wouldn't do less than a 2nd unless we were virtually forced by the cap to buy him out otherwise.

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Raymond and Shroeder for Turris is the only deal that would make a marginal amount of sense for both teams. And even then, I can say with near certainty that Ott has no intentions of moving Turris at this point.

Edler. I'd want Michalek or Cowen+ coming back... so that pretty much breaks the deal right there.
I'd seriously consider flipping Michalek for Edler if we could guarantee Edler re-ups here.

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I wouldn't do less than a 2nd unless we were virtually forced by the cap to buy him out otherwise.
That really doesn't sound bad.

Ottawa 2013 2nd round pick for Ballard.

I'd do this, I'm sure a lot of people in Ottawa would, probably including Bryan Murray and co.

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I wouldn't do less than a 2nd unless we were virtually forced by the cap to buy him out otherwise.
If you plan to retain Edler, you will be forced to move another d-man.

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That really doesn't sound bad.

Ottawa 2013 2nd round pick for Ballard.

I'd do this, I'm sure a lot of people in Ottawa would, probably including Bryan Murray and co.
I would as well because someone else has that pick

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I wouldn't do less than a 2nd unless we were virtually forced by the cap to buy him out otherwise.
that seems high for a cap dump. originally i was thinking 4th, maybe a 3rd if you asked nicely.

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that seems high for a cap dump. originally i was thinking 4th, maybe a 3rd if you asked nicely.
I see him more as a reclamation project than a cap dump. I'd expect to lose any trade involving Ballard in the long run, but frankly we might not have much choice.

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2nd for Ballard is awful.

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this. no room for raymond anyways. what would it take in terms of a pick?
At this point probably a 2nd or two 3rds. However I think Gillis would prefer to keep him for this season before trying to deal him in the offseason. If he's unsuccessful at that point I suspect he'll just play the amnesty card.

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In this draft a 2nd for Ballard would be incredibly stupid. There are many instances where a first round talent could slip to the second round, and this is a deep draft after all.

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I would as well because someone else has that pick
Fair enough. Who was that for, not Bishop I don't think, was it Turris?

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