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01-07-2013, 01:11 AM
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Id do Omark for Mason
Id also do PRV + 3rd for Luongo. Id even be willing to do Hemsky for Luongo if both sides added some pieces to make it work (im not sure what theyd be)
Really? I think everyone would do that and not bother thinking about it. Plus an amnesty safety net? That's fantastic

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Thanks Bob!

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I must thank Bob for clarifying up one of his bigger Brain Farts , and people should realize this was all about ratings and had no hockey sense in it at all.
Some people seriously need to get a life if they believe that the Oilers would trade for either Luongo or Bouwmeester. Either trade could cripple the Oilers for years, especially the Luongo one, and do really you think the Canucks would trade him to a division opponent. The Bouwmeester idea has a Stauffer personal interest, due to his friendship with Bouwmeester's family, should be taken as another one of his many Brain Farts.

The fact is the Oilers need to get some size in their top 6, especially at C and maybe a RHS physical Dman. The Oilers will be a better team in this short season, but their still not a playoff team, and it is ridiculous to think otherwise.

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01-07-2013, 03:08 AM
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I must thank Bob for clarifying up one of his bigger Brain Farts , and people should realize this was all about ratings and had no hockey sense in it at all.
Some people seriously need to get a life if they believe that the Oilers would trade for either Luongo or Bouwmeester. Either trade could cripple the Oilers for years, especially the Luongo one, and do really you think the Canucks would trade him to a division opponent. The Bouwmeester idea has a Stauffer personal interest, due to his friendship with Bouwmeester's family, should be taken as another one of his many Brain Farts.

The fact is the Oilers need to get some size in their top 6, especially at C and maybe a RHS physical Dman. The Oilers will be a better team in this short season, but their still not a playoff team, and it is ridiculous to think otherwise.
You do realize this is more or less the same group that signed Horcoff to a 6 year 33 million contract, right?
Not to mention naming Ethan Moreau captain and giving a 67 year old Pat Quinn a head coaching job. Or having Kevin Prendergast as the head scout, the same KP that assembled the last WJC team and chose Pouliot over Parise. Ect ect.

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01-07-2013, 04:25 AM
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You do realize this is more or less the same group that signed Horcoff to a 6 year 33 million contract, right?
Not to mention naming Ethan Moreau captain and giving a 67 year old Pat Quinn a head coaching job. Or having Kevin Prendergast as the head scout, the same KP that assembled the last WJC team and chose Pouliot over Parise. Ect ect.
When they clean house a couple of years ago, which I think it was more of Tambo's doing, they missed Kevin Lowe.

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I find the Redden and Regher/Leopold ideas intriguing. I would be expecting a nice bonus to take Reddens deal for the season. Katz isn't going to spend that kind of money buying a guy out for nothing significant.
I like the idea of Regehr. He would add a lot of bite to the backend. Right now he is probably more of a third pairing guy but he still knows how to play.

Some have said that Buffalo is in cap trouble. That is actually not true. They have lots of cap space right noiw and will be fine going forwrad. What they do have is a lot of salary on the books. Regehr gets $4M this year which is a lot to pay a guy for #4/5 minutes. I think I also heard that he might not mind coming back west. If you could get him cheap I think he works well for this team right now.

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01-07-2013, 07:59 AM
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Before reading any posts I'll post a quick thought. Given that buyouts can happen not only after this season but next season, should we really be expecting the same type of movement that we would've if those buyouts were this summer? Are there all that many teams in need of cap space like last time?

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Gillis is apparently nuts with what he is asking for. Rumour has it he wants Florida to offer up Bjugstad+ and at the draft wanted either Gardiner +the 5th or our 1st overall. Unless he gets a good dose of reality, buying RL out may be his only option.
I wouldn't call him nuts, just like the CBA negotiations he was/is taking his time.

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Why would you want Steve Mason? What possibly value could he bring to this team
Well there is a slight chance that a new environment gets the kid going again, although I would've done a deal last year. One in which you could've sent him to the AHL to regain his game. Now I fear there just isn't time.
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As a side, didn't Tencer mention a wow a week ago or something?

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01-07-2013, 08:15 AM
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Well there is a slight chance that a new environment gets the kid going again, although I would've done a deal last year. One in which you could've sent him to the AHL to regain his game. Now I fear there just isn't time.
I doubt it, he's lost his game, not that he had much game to begin with (see James Reimer), he's best left to his own devisices, he can either get his game together in the minors or over seas, or he can just fade away, that's the point he's at right now.

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As a side, didn't Tencer mention a wow a week ago or something?
I'm getting the sense that there may have been a "wow" move before the new year, but now it's more an effort to get listeners - "Hey, we have info, Hey, listen, Inside info, LISTEN" etc.

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01-07-2013, 08:20 AM
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I doubt it, he's lost his game, not that he had much game to begin with (see James Reimer), he's best left to his own devisices, he can either get his game together in the minors or over seas, or he can just fade away, that's the point he's at right now.



I'm getting the sense that there may have been a "wow" move before the new year, but now it's more an effort to get listeners - "Hey, we have info, Hey, listen, Inside info, LISTEN" etc.
Ya I'm very doubtful on Mason, but that's why a Bulin for Mason deal made sense last year. Throw the kid in OKC see if he could regain his game and give him a shot for this year. Now it's pretty much useless as neither OKC or the Oil really have time to work with the kid and his head issues.

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Before reading any posts I'll post a quick thought. Given that buyouts can happen not only after this season but next season, should we really be expecting the same type of movement that we would've if those buyouts were this summer? Are there all that many teams in need of cap space like last time?
considering that this years version of the oil are sitting at 63mill, and eberle and hall get huge raises next season. for the oil to be under 64mill for next season means even more rookies in the lineup or some very cheap veterns. even if horc is bought out, thats still a center position that would need to be filled. only save maybe 3mill in that move and might end up with lower quality player.
plus teams that are sitting good with the cap for next season will be able to get some good players cheap on the trade block. should be a interesting and busy shortened off season.

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considering that this years version of the oil are sitting at 63mill, and eberle and hall get huge raises next season. for the oil to be under 64mill for next season means even more rookies in the lineup or some very cheap veterns. even if horc is bought out, thats still a center position that would need to be filled. only save maybe 3mill in that move and might end up with lower quality player.
plus teams that are sitting good with the cap for next season will be able to get some good players cheap on the trade block. should be a interesting and busy shortened off season.
Why rookies? Fill it with the 1mil vets that are available every year.

Are rookie bonuses still allowed to go over the cap? If so there's about 8.5mil of space as well.

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considering that this years version of the oil are sitting at 63mill, and eberle and hall get huge raises next season. for the oil to be under 64mill for next season means even more rookies in the lineup or some very cheap veterns. even if horc is bought out, thats still a center position that would need to be filled. only save maybe 3mill in that move and might end up with lower quality player.
plus teams that are sitting good with the cap for next season will be able to get some good players cheap on the trade block. should be a interesting and busy shortened off season.
The back up goalie won't be making $3.75 million next season. Souray's $1.5 million buyout falls off next season. Hall's raise is only $2.25 million from a cap perspective. Eberle's raise is $4.84 million. Plus there is always the option of buying out Horcoff.

I suspect that it will be too challenging to resign/replace Whitney, resign Gagner, and resign Smid without pulling the trigger on Horcoff.

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I wonder if we will see a trade frenzy next week when the GMs can execute trades... The Oilers do still need another Dman.. but this buyout situation might stop teams from dumping decent players...

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I wonder if we will see a trade frenzy next week when the GMs can execute trades... The Oilers do still need another Dman.. but this buyout situation might stop teams from dumping decent players...
IMO the Oilers would best take a wait and see approach to their D at the beginning of the season. The price for a D their looking for could be a little too steap, if Peckham returns to form, I would have no problem with what they have.

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I wonder if we will see a trade frenzy next week when the GMs can execute trades... The Oilers do still need another Dman.. but this buyout situation might stop teams from dumping decent players...
I don't think we see much until a later date. Be some movement as teams will need to fill out rosters and such.

Kinda shocked neither side really said anything about having a bigger roster size to start the year. With a short training camp, I'm sure teams would like a longer look at certain players, even if meant only in practice.

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I like the idea of Regehr. He would add a lot of bite to the backend. Right now he is probably more of a third pairing guy but he still knows how to play.

Some have said that Buffalo is in cap trouble. That is actually not true. They have lots of cap space right noiw and will be fine going forwrad. What they do have is a lot of salary on the books. Regehr gets $4M this year which is a lot to pay a guy for #4/5 minutes. I think I also heard that he might not mind coming back west. If you could get him cheap I think he works well for this team right now.
I agree. With a $64.3M second year cap, the Sabres have over $9M in cap space not including raises to Enroth and Hodgson to sign a 3rd line winger and one top 4 defenseman (assuming a guy like Pysyk makes the team by next year).

I'd also welcome Regehr on my team and don't think he's been as bad as his numbers. He was a healthy minus and didn't put up many points, but he was put in a lot of really tough situations in Buffalo playing almost exclusively in defensive zone situations and against the toughest opposition possible.

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He could make Devan Dubnyk look really, really good

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Is there gonna be a trade deadline? If so, when do you guys think?

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Is there gonna be a trade deadline? If so, when do you guys think?
Rumored to be April 5

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Not sure where to put this until I see more confirmation.

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That's quite the mistranslation.

Reminds me of the joke about the Freudian slip and passing the salt

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Then Gagner replaces Raymond on the RW--where he probably belongs to begin with.
Why would they want that though?

Raymonds already outproduced Gagners best year and brings a ton of speed, something that Gagner doesn't have.

If Gagner is an ugprade over Raymond i'd say it's pretty minor. Too minor to give up Luongo anyways.

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