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01-07-2013, 10:56 AM
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To get back to the premise of the OP.

Where do you think we are when we sign Filppula and Howard?
Around $59m for a cap hit, give or take a buyout or two. After that I think (hope?) Nyquist and Smith are the contract priorities with Brunner and Cleary coming up last.

edit: should say that is my high end. $57m would probably be the low side.

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Also, the idea of "paying market value" is absurd. Free agency is an auction, not a market. 3rd/4th line wingers exist in a market, top line talent does not.
One of the better phrases that I have read here lately.

In reality if you look at all those massive contracts, then many of them have been bad. Some have been okay, some simply horrible and a few of them great.

Nowadays, the essential part is developing your own talent. Because signing free-agents is expensive and there are very few of them. Wings have been great in the past ten years or so because they developed Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronner, Fil and Franzen. All of them have been important players. Now Wings are worse because Kindl, Emmerton, Axelsson, etc have not panned out. So they have a missing generation so to speak.

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Around $59m for a cap hit, give or take a buyout or two. After that I think (hope?) Nyquist and Smith are the contract priorities with Brunner and Cleary coming up last.

edit: should say that is my high end. $57m would probably be the low side.
To me, I don't see anyway we part with Flip unless Flip prices himself out of Detroit. Howard might be a different story.

But I'm 75 percent sure they'll both resign. Which leaves very little money for anything else, other than resigning or replacing White and maybe resigning Smith for a few years.

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To get back to the premise of the OP.

Where do you think we are when we sign Filppula and Howard?
What do I think? I think we are in a bad spot, but it's doable.

I think Holland has do to everything he can to keep these guys, even if that means getting rid of Franzen. Yes, I think Fil is more valuable to the team than Franzen is at this point.

We have Cleary as well, that I would trade for a pick or maybe some depth. Bring up a young gun. Maybe Tartar? I think he's about ready (after this season).

The only thing that boggles me is what would you get for Franzen? Would you want to rip yourself off to drop your cap? Picks? Or just a lazy combo deal.

I just hope Holland does what he can to keep these guys...But I have a feeling one will end up going, and it's not the goalie.

EDIT: Never really thought...Franzen have a NTC?

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01-07-2013, 12:20 PM
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To me, I don't see anyway we part with Flip unless Flip prices himself out of Detroit. Howard might be a different story.

But I'm 75 percent sure they'll both resign. Which leaves very little money for anything else, other than resigning or replacing White and maybe resigning Smith for a few years.
which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't think either player will price themselves out of Detroit (just to get to the$59m figure, each would have to command $5m - which I think is a slight stretch) and that should be plenty of money to re-sign Smith and Gus. Lack of cap room would then force Holland to quit bringing in mediocre vets, or possibly trim one or two more off the roster.

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With a $64.3m cap we'll have close to 20m in space before amnestying anyone (cutting Bert and Sammy gives us another $5m), but we have a lot of FAs.

Smith, Kindl, Mursak and Nyquist are RFAs.

Fil, Howard, Cleary, White, Brunner and Miller are UFAs.

All the RFAs will probably be kept. Cleary and Miller are gone. White and Brunner are toss ups. And I can't see Holland letting Jimmy and Fil leave unless their asking prices are just outrageous.

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That Parise offer was a complete joke. 68 million? lol........ He didnt even outbid Minnesota on Suter either, even with Minny offering two 98 million dollar contracts. He failed miserably.

Holland lucked out because he is a cheapskate and expects people to want to play in Detroit and take a massive discount. That may work with 3rd or 4th line grinders, but Marian Hossa and Brian Rafalski arent going to happen again.
Eh, since the cap was implemented it is obvious what Detroit does: draft and development to build out your core and then try to fill gaps via free agency. Free agency as we saw this summer is a bit of a crap shoot. If he whiffs on Edler this summer then I think Holland may be forced to go the trade route which he tends to avoid but has done it when necessary (Stuart, Bert).

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Eh, since the cap was implemented it is obvious what Detroit does: draft and development to build out your core and then try to fill gaps via free agency. Free agency as we saw this summer is a bit of a crap shoot. If he whiffs on Edler this summer then I think Holland may be forced to go the trade route which he tends to avoid but has done it when necessary (Stuart, Bert).
free agency has always and will always be a crap shoot

good teams draft and develop well first and foremost,

make a few smart/brillant trades that do several things
-move out bad or unwanted contracts
-fill an organizational need
-free up roster space and playing time for its kids
-gain additional cheap young players and/or picks

and then and only then add an important/missing piece via free agency, ex faceoff speacialist, 3rd line centre, punishing stay-at-home dman

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With a $64.3m cap we'll have close to 20m in space before amnestying anyone (cutting Bert and Sammy gives us another $5m), but we have a lot of FAs.

Smith, Kindl, Mursak and Nyquist are RFAs.

Fil, Howard, Cleary, White, Brunner and Miller are UFAs.

All the RFAs will probably be kept. Cleary and Miller are gone. White and Brunner are toss ups. And I can't see Holland letting Jimmy and Fil leave unless their asking prices are just outrageous.
Ugh, at times I hate the separate lines for salary and cap payrolls on capgeek. I was looking at actual salary. Yeah, we'll afford everyone we want to keep pretty easily.

With that much room, I don't think Cleary is a definite "gone," though.

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which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't think either player will price themselves out of Detroit (just to get to the$59m figure, each would have to command $5m - which I think is a slight stretch) and that should be plenty of money to re-sign Smith and Gus. Lack of cap room would then force Holland to quit bringing in mediocre vets, or possibly trim one or two more off the roster.
Unfortunately, what it leaves room for, perhaps, is another $3M a year retread

Wings need to be careful because if Pavel decides he wants to stay in 15 months... you better have room to sign him.

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Can teams like the Leafs/Rangers/Hawks still bury contracts in the AHL or Europe in this CBA to get cap relief?

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Can teams like the Leafs/Rangers/Hawks still bury contracts in the AHL or Europe in this CBA to get cap relief?
I think I read that any salary greater than $900,000 on a 1-way contract in the AHL will count against the salary cap.

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01-07-2013, 02:23 PM
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Eh, since the cap was implemented it is obvious what Detroit does: draft and development to build out your core and then try to fill gaps via free agency. Free agency as we saw this summer is a bit of a crap shoot. If he whiffs on Edler this summer then I think Holland may be forced to go the trade route which he tends to avoid but has done it when necessary (Stuart, Bert).
Exactly. The problem is they had a gap in which our best NHL-ready young guys were Emmerton and Mursak...

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I think I read that any salary greater than $900,000 on a 1-way contract in the AHL will count against the salary cap.
Will that include players sent to Europe as well? Specifically situations like what the Blackhawks did with Huet.

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Will that include players sent to Europe as well? Specifically situations like what the Blackhawks did with Huet.
Yes it will, apparently.

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Bout time the teams who signed ridiculous contracts actually have to stand by them now.

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I thought they had Huet under contract for this year but looks like his deal was up back in July.

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To get back to the premise of the OP.

Where do you think we are when we sign Filppula and Howard?
I think we lose Filppula for free agency and sign only Howard.

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New "buying and selling cap space" -rule will be pretty interesting. That should activate the trade market drastically. At earlier cap seasons, the biggest problem for trades was a team that wanted to trade for a player, would have been forced to send some salary back. And the selling team didn't want it. So the those too restrictive rules killed many promising trade ideas. Now, when you can sell the cap with max 50% of the value of that guy, it makes things a lot easier to happen.

This could active also Holland for more trades.


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I think we lose Filppula for free agency and sign only Howard.
Other than Fedorov, the Wings aren't known to "lose" players to free-agency. They'll lock him up, like it or not.

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Estimated cap/floor with 5% yearly revenue growth.

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There will probably be tight cap-seasons even more after the 2013-14.

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