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Luongo: Light at the end of the tunnel?

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01-07-2013, 02:28 PM
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Personally, and this is just conjecture, but I see Kulemin and Kadri involved in any deal with Toronto. Bozak just seems unlikely given his chemistry and including both him and Kadri decimates Toronto's center depth. What else, if anything, I do not know but those two just seem probable.
If Burke does this he's just trying to save his ass by getting in the playoffs this year and not getting fired next year. This would be a horrible trade for Toronto. I'd sooner they finish 25th-30th without the aging goalie with a horrible contract and have a shot at a great player in what is looking like a great draft.

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See my revision to the proposed. I replaced Versteeg with Upshall so that satisfies the "win now" philosophy though with a lower value but works better for the Panthers. Kept the 1st in the deal but replaced Petrovic since we need d-men sooner than Vancouver does and would give you the ability to draft someone like Ristolainen this yr (big RHD). With Matthias currently injured (I believe a concussion), had to replace him but did so with Shore who has more value than Matthias probably.
I changed it anyway to a different deal. Keep in mind, that FL has no need for a goaltender so unless its a gift, whats their motivation to make a deal? So like you said, nothing wrong with maintaining the status quo all the way around.
Upshall is a notable downgrade from Versteeg, injury prone and has no business on our second line. Unless you are willing to work a deal around either Bjugsted, Versteeg or Fleischmann. I'm not all too interested.

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steve simmons ‏@simmonssteve on twitter a short while ago:

The truth on Luongo: Until the Florida Panthers inform Canucks they have no interest in him, he won't approve a trade to anywhere else.


MillarWithASave posted it over on the panthers board, but I decided to move it here as well. Its certainly big time news if true, and would all but crush any leverage the Canucks have. If its true, the Canucks have two options assuming the panthers are interested:

1) Trade him to Fla for w/e they are willing to pay.
2) Call his bluff, and hold onto him, which prevents them from spending that money elsewhere.
Does he have any source to say that? I can't imagine Luongo would just tell people that, especially after being very hush-hush and vague about what was going on until now, only to leak it the day before the lockout officially ends.

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Why would we ever give up all that for an expensive goalie who we don't even need?

You're going to get Kopecky/Upshall + Clemmenson. No chance Tallon gives away anything significant.
If that's the best offer, then for all intents and purposes Florida is not interested in Luongo, and should not be a part of the sweepstakes.

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Why would the Canucks ever consider this?
If they want to get rid of his contract and free up some cap space they will have to take back salary. We can't afford Roberto without giving up money and we're not giving up anything you're going to like. We have zero reason to do so. You're limited in your options so it's a take it or leave it situation. This is very similar to when we acquired Brian Campbell for Rostislav Olesz. A huge contract for a player with a NTC going to a team with a limited budget. It's easy to say we needed a guy like Campbell a lot more than we need Roberto.

Why would we ever give up anything substantial when we don't even need him? Goaltending is not an issue for us and we have the best prospect in the game ready to go next season.

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If that's the best offer, then for all intents and purposes Florida is not interested in Luongo, and should not be a part of the sweepstakes.
There are no sweepstakes. Options for expensive goalies are always limited and when you combine that with a goalie with a NTC rumored to only want to go back to Florida you either keep him or get little in return.

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as a leafs fan, i won't want luongo... he's been great in the past but seems to have lost a step in his game. perhaps a change of scenery would work, but i wouldn't give all that much for him.

kadri and bozak is the most i'd be willing to give up...

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steve simmons ‏@simmonssteve on twitter a short while ago:

The truth on Luongo: Until the Florida Panthers inform Canucks they have no interest in him, he won't approve a trade to anywhere else.


MillarWithASave posted it over on the panthers board, but I decided to move it here as well. Its certainly big time news if true, and would all but crush any leverage the Canucks have. If its true, the Canucks have two options assuming the panthers are interested:

1) Trade him to Fla for w/e they are willing to pay.
2) Call his bluff, and hold onto him, which prevents them from spending that money elsewhere.
That is BS and wishful thinking from a FLA or T.O. fan. Luongo himself said he has given Gillis the green light to go ahead and do what is best for the team. I would believe what Luongo said with his own words before I do anyone else.

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steve simmons ‏@simmonssteve on twitter a short while ago:

The truth on Luongo: Until the Florida Panthers inform Canucks they have no interest in him, he won't approve a trade to anywhere else.


MillarWithASave posted it over on the panthers board, but I decided to move it here as well. Its certainly big time news if true, and would all but crush any leverage the Canucks have. If its true, the Canucks have two options assuming the panthers are interested:

1) Trade him to Fla for w/e they are willing to pay.
2) Call his bluff, and hold onto him, which prevents them from spending that money elsewhere.
If Luongo was stupid enough to do that. We could threaten him with a waiver that guarantees he ends up in Columbus, Edmonton or Toronto long before Florida. Fortunately, he has given precise contradictory claims to that twitter. Therefore, I wager Steve Simmons is talking out of his ass again. It wouldn't be a first.

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steve simmons ‏@simmonssteve on twitter a short while ago:

The truth on Luongo: Until the Florida Panthers inform Canucks they have no interest in him, he won't approve a trade to anywhere else.


MillarWithASave posted it over on the panthers board, but I decided to move it here as well. Its certainly big time news if true, and would all but crush any leverage the Canucks have. If its true, the Canucks have two options assuming the panthers are interested:

1) Trade him to Fla for w/e they are willing to pay.
2) Call his bluff, and hold onto him, which prevents them from spending that money elsewhere.
..and yet this was posted earlier today...

His first choice was the Panthers but, with that franchise looking to shed salary instead of adding it, Luongo was apparently told by Canucks management prior to the lockout that there was no fit with Florida.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2013/...bban_contract/

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You know, I don't remember where I heard the goalie shop with Minnesota. I know it was on the TV, and they didn't specifically mention Backstrom. They did specifically say that there was a rumour that Minnesota would be shopping one of their goalies, and that Burke would likely be looking at that option. Given the cap hits of their goalies, Backstrom was my assumption.
ok ya that was TSN and since harding has MS you are likely right. I still think we end up with luongo but backstrom is a favorite of mine

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Upshall is a notable downgrade from Versteeg, injury prone and has no business on our second line. Unless you are willing to work a deal around either Bjugsted, Versteeg or Fleischmann. I'm not all too interested.
Losing Versteeg or Flash to obtain Loungo is a lateral move at best. More likely a team downgrade since we desperately lack scoring forwards. Bjugstad has no chance of being traded. Zero.

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If Luongo was stupid enough to do that. We could threaten him with a waiver that guarantees he ends up in Columbus, Edmonton or Toronto long before Florida. Fortunately, he has given precise contradictory claims to that twitter. Therefore, I wager Steve Simmons is talking out of his ass again. It wouldn't be a first.
No doubt.

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There are no sweepstakes. Options for expensive goalies are always limited and when you combine that with a goalie with a NTC rumored to only want to go back to Florida you either keep him or get little in return.
Good thing Luongo's cap hit is significantly less than the majority of goaltenders at the top ten status.

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Does he have any source to say that? I can't imagine Luongo would just tell people that, especially after being very hush-hush and vague about what was going on until now, only to leak it the day before the lockout officially ends.
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That is BS and wishful thinking from a FLA or T.O. fan. Luongo himself said he has given Gillis the green light to go ahead and do what is best for the team. I would believe what Luongo said with his own words before I do anyone else.
He does not cite a source (I just went and found it myself: https://twitter.com/simmonssteve). However its definitely not wishful thinking on anyone's part. He is a Toronto Sun reporter it seems, and his post is definitely not good for TO if true.

Again, I am not saying that its true as there is not source currently, but its certainly food for thought. The fact that a TO reporter is essentially saying its FLA or bust as long as FLA is interested... has to make one wonder.

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All of this is just speculation; really tired of seeing tweets about Luongo that are "the truth", yet all of them are saying contradictory things.

Luongo made a statement (heard it on Sports Centre) and that's all we know. He's keeping an open mind and apparently MG has not contacted him about a trade yet, and he wants to do what's best for both the Canucks and his family.

Of course, he could just be saying the right things and not actually really meaning them, or just playing it safe in front of the media, but I'm taking his word over a bunch of polarized tweets.

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If Kulemin is a necessity in going back to Vancouver for Luongo then Id rather the leafs just look elsewhere for a goalie. I'd offer Bozak MacArthur and a pick/Fransons rights.

Gives vancity a top six RW, a top 9 C, and a RH defender.

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If Kulemin is a necessity in going back to Vancouver for Luongo then Id rather the leafs just look elsewhere for a goalie. I'd offer Bozak MacArthur and a pick/Fransons rights.

Gives vancity a top six RW, a top 9 C, and a RH defender.
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If Luongo was stupid enough to do that. We could threaten him with a waiver that guarantees he ends up in Columbus, Edmonton or Toronto long before Florida. Fortunately, he has given precise contradictory claims to that twitter. Therefore, I wager Steve Simmons is talking out of his ass again. It wouldn't be a first.
That makes zero sense from a Canuck perspective. If you don't think the FLA deal is good enough, you instead put him on waivers and lose him for nothing?

Think about what you just said...honestly. Again I am in no way saying that Simmons is true or not (I have zero knowledge of the guy's history), but your post makes no sense.

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Losing Versteeg or Flash to obtain Loungo is a lateral move at best. More likely a team downgrade since we desperately lack scoring forwards. Bjugstad has no chance of being traded. Zero.
Then you have no chance of acquiring Luongo. Why should we expect your tweeners or throw aways for our elite goaltender? Florida has an abundance of prospects, they could fill the void of either Versteeg or Flash. If Raymond were included, he could lift the load while those young players adjust. Regardless, we want value. You are not offering it.

One of those three players must be involved or we're simply not interested. It is that simple.

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Good thing Luongo's cap hit is significantly less than the majority of goaltenders at the top ten status.
It's not significantly less. It is the longest by far. It is the highest by far for a backup.

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What do you consider long term damage? Luongo is only 33 and most goalies with his abilities play well into their late 30's and are productive. He's had no serious injuries and has never been injury prone. I really don't care what anyone says about his contract. His cap hit is a steal for his caliber of play and he instantly gives any team acquiring him a legitimate chance to win every night. T.O DOES NOT currently have that perk. Has it been so long that you forget how awesome it is to have your team in the playoffs? I will never understand how Toronto fans can be so content with misery and losing.
Why do people keep sayin we are content with losing? How are we content? Do we have any power to do anything about it? No we don't , so we have to sit back and wait until we become a playoff team

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If Kulemin is a necessity in going back to Vancouver for Luongo then Id rather the leafs just look elsewhere for a goalie. I'd offer Bozak MacArthur and a pick/Fransons rights.

Gives vancity a top six RW, a top 9 C, and a RH defender.
Macarthur is a LW, upcoming UFA, and is coming off a bad season. Bozak is so-so, I suppose, but is also an upcoming UFA, and Franson is a depth throw in that I suppose we could use but doesnt have much value.

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Add Raymond and Matthias and I probably do this. Wouldn't be thrilled, but it addresses our needs:

Luongo
Raymond

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Versteeg
Matthias
Petrovic
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i would do that trade,,but i would rather keep Luongo.

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How many Luongo threads have there been -- and people are still discussing Bjugstad?

There's no chance on that guys. Let it go. We lack C-depth and Bjugstad is part of the answer to that in the coming seasons. There just isn't a chance at all.

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