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12-30-2012, 04:25 AM
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Larionov is a liberast (Russians know what that term means).

Larionov is more American than Russian. Larionov cares more about America than he cares about Russia. He may even hate Russia, I don't know. But I don't see any other explanation why he does his best to hurt Russian hockey and Russian prospects as much as possible. He is like a cancer to Russian hockey. I hope Larionov is banned from setting his foot on the Russian soil and his Russian passport is cancelled.
That's rich, coming from a born and bred Finn.

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12-30-2012, 09:24 AM
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and that's why Ovechkin became a banger and predictable player in the NHL, after being and explosive creative player at his point of departure...yes, makes all the sense in the world, really....lol

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and that's why Ovechkin became a banger and predictable player in the NHL, after being and explosive creative player at his point of departure...yes, makes all the sense in the world, really....lol
Ovechkin was never that creative, explosive sure, but NHL teams figured him out, his move was always the same, cross the top of the faceoff circle into the middle and snipe through the defender with his amazing shot.

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Ovechkin was never that creative, explosive sure, but NHL teams figured him out, his move was always the same, cross the top of the faceoff circle into the middle and snipe through the defender with his amazing shot.
That makes absolutely no sense. Nobody dominates like Ovechkin did by being predicable and non-creative.
If Ovechkin did rely solely on a few moves, the NHL would've figured him out in about a half a season.
The guy was creative and explosive....but he's lost those elements now.


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and that's why Ovechkin became a banger and predictable player in the NHL, after being and explosive creative player at his point of departure...yes, makes all the sense in the world, really....lol
Ovechkin lost his status because of Ovechkin. For 5 years he was the best player in the world ; you don't suddenly lose that because people work you out, or the league your in suddenly takes your skills away. Ovechkin only has himself to blame (and really, he makes millions of dollars and bangs way above his shelf) but does he really care?

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Ovechkin lost his status because of Ovechkin. For 5 years he was the best player in the world ; you don't suddenly lose that because people work you out, or the league your in suddenly takes your skills away. Ovechkin only has himself to blame (and really, he makes millions of dollars and bangs way above his shelf) but does he really care?
Exactly, someone after scoring 65 goals at 22 doesn't suddenly lose those skills he developed. Ovechkin has to take some of the blame here and if he did lose his explosiveness it is because of widely observed poor body management off the ice.

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These kids move to Canada/USA due to living conditions. What kid wouldnt want to live in either country for at least 1 year?

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These kids move to Canada/USA due to living conditions. What kid wouldnt want to live in either country for at least 1 year?
Lol!

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Lol!
While it's clearly an exaggeration and oversimplification, I think it does play a role, however small, in the decision making process of at least some of these kids coming over to play in the CHL. You can't possibly argue that the West isn't extremely appealing to some of these guys, can you?

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It's more about "hockey living conditions" than real life living conditions.

It's no secret a lot of Russian kids are blown away by the popularity and enthusiasm of junior hockey in Canada.

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These kids move to Canada/USA due to living conditions. What kid wouldnt want to live in either country for at least 1 year?
Maybe they enjoy the no-smoking environments more there?

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These kids move to Canada/USA due to living conditions. What kid wouldnt want to live in either country for at least 1 year?
they must be dying to live in strange families, getting paid $50 a week, vs leaving home and getting paid from $350 a month and up in the MHL and money of completely different scale when called up to VHL/KHL

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While it's clearly an exaggeration and oversimplification, I think it does play a role, however small, in the decision making process of at least some of these kids coming over to play in the CHL. You can't possibly argue that the West isn't extremely appealing to some of these guys, can you?
Maybe a few of the cities, but the majority of the cities in the CHL circuit are boring.

The only thing they come over here for is the hockey. Period.

I'm sure Kucherov is playing in Rouyn because its better living conditions than Moscow.

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Sure its a oversimplification but yes i should have also mentioned hockey living conditions.

Ive been to Russia before and it wasnt a bad place to live. Its just no West and that cant be denied. The second point i was getting at is that these players are "studying abroad". They learn from the best development league in the WORLD. Even Americans are forgoing the USHL or NCAA to play in the CHL. For example, Jamie Oleksiak is a prime example of that.

Put it this way. Your hometown club in Chelyabinsk wants you back for another year but at the same time a club in Ontario wants you to play. What kid wouldnt want to move to Canada for the adventure and the higher rate of skill.

Even when said players cant make the team or get any NHL interest their participation in the CHL is extremely valuable considering they are playing against future NHLers for any league their career takes them to.

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Didnt want to open up a new thread, I think we should have one to update and discuss players in the CHL.

Goldobin with 11p in the last 3 games, including 4 goal game, just ridiculous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AxQYsTPjA4
What a sweet goal he scored in the video

Zlobin wins CHL player of the week after 13 points including a game with 3g + 3a and now has one of highest ppg in the Q.

(95) Andrey Alexeev 7p in past 8 is starting to heat up. Also his teamate Serebryakov who had a slow start is getting a chance to show his game while starter is away at the WJC.

Zykov is nearing 30 goal marker and leads Q rookies in scoring.

Kuptsov traded to Ottawa, now 3rd OHL team

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Didnt want to open up a new thread, I think we should have one to update and discuss players in the CHL.

Goldobin with 11p in the last 3 games, including 4 goal game, just ridiculous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AxQYsTPjA4
What a sweet goal he scored in the video

Zlobin wins CHL player of the week after 13 points including a game with 3g + 3a and now has one of highest ppg in the Q.

(95) Andrey Alexeev 7p in past 8 is starting to heat up. Also his teamate Serebryakov who had a slow start is getting a chance to show his game while starter is away at the WJC.

Zykov is nearing 30 goal marker and leads Q rookies in scoring.

Kuptsov traded to Ottawa, now 3rd OHL team
The 1995 Russian generation is potentially golden but many have moved over to the CHL this includes, Goldobin, Zlobin, Tolchinsky, Zadorov, Zykov, Barbashev, Lysenko, Vorobyov we will see if it is a good thing. Dikushin is in the USHL too but like Vorobyov has been for a while.

At least the two I consider have the biggest potential to be elite stayed in Russia and are doing well this includes Nichushkin who is already in the KHL and did well at the WJC and Buchnevich who has also played KHL this season and dominated the MHL.

The 1995 class is very good hopefully the majority of them live up to their potential.

Interesting stat about the WJC which is not really a measure of CHL Vs Staying in Russia but still interesting. The Russian WJC team with the least foreign based players in the past five years won Gold in 2011 (1 CHL player which was Bobkov who was back up). This years and last years team had 5 CHL based players. Like I said it is not a measure but interesting little fact and something to follow.

Oh and Filonenko > Serebryakov

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The 1995 Russian generation is potentially golden but many have moved over to the CHL this includes, Goldobin, Zlobin, Tolchinsky, Zadorov, Zykov, Barbashev, Lysenko, Vorobyov we will see if it is a good thing. Dikushin is in the USHL too but like Vorobyov has been for a while.

At least the two I consider have the biggest potential to be elite stayed in Russia and are doing well this includes Nichushkin who is already in the KHL and did well at the WJC and Buchnevich who has also played KHL this season and dominated the MHL.

The 1995 class is very good hopefully the majority of them live up to their potential.

Interesting stat about the WJC which is not really a measure of CHL Vs Staying in Russia but still interesting. The Russian WJC team with the least foreign based players in the past five years won Gold in 2011 (1 CHL player which was Bobkov who was back up). This years and last years team had 5 CHL based players. Like I said it is not a measure but interesting little fact and something to follow.

Oh and Filonenko > Serebryakov
really? Serebryakov was consider as better goalie before leaving to chl.

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really? Serebryakov was consider as better goalie before leaving to chl.
I mean in the long run if Serebryakov continues to not get game time.

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The 1995 Russian generation is potentially golden but many have moved over to the CHL this includes, Goldobin, Zlobin, Tolchinsky, Zadorov, Zykov, Barbashev, Lysenko, Vorobyov we will see if it is a good thing. Dikushin is in the USHL too but like Vorobyov has been for a while.

At least the two I consider have the biggest potential to be elite stayed in Russia and are doing well this includes Nichushkin who is already in the KHL and did well at the WJC and Buchnevich who has also played KHL this season and dominated the MHL.

The 1995 class is very good hopefully the majority of them live up to their potential.

Interesting stat about the WJC which is not really a measure of CHL Vs Staying in Russia but still interesting. The Russian WJC team with the least foreign based players in the past five years won Gold in 2011 (1 CHL player which was Bobkov who was back up). This years and last years team had 5 CHL based players. Like I said it is not a measure but interesting little fact and something to follow.

Oh and Filonenko > Serebryakov
Based on the Russian posters comments, the coach of the team has more meaning that what league the players are playing in at that moment.

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it's true Varnakov is not a good junior coach, but the bronze will keep him around for a while, and the talented 95's will keep him around longer for at least two more years

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it's true Varnakov is not a good junior coach, but the bronze will keep him around for a while, and the talented 95's will keep him around longer for at least two more years
Unfortunately very true.

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so it's true and Khoklachev is leaving to Windsor...this ought to be 'cause his father got canned from the GM (?) position, but why would you hurt your career because of that?

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so it's true and Khoklachev is leaving to Windsor...this ought to be 'cause his father got canned from the GM (?) position, but why would you hurt your career because of that?
Because Windsor have still have a big part of the season to play including the playoffs meanwhile Spartak's season ends in a month.

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Because Windsor have still have a big part of the season to play including the playoffs meanwhile Spartak's season ends in a month.
MHC spartak will have a deep play off run most likely as well

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so it's true and Khoklachev is leaving to Windsor...this ought to be 'cause his father got canned from the GM (?) position, but why would you hurt your career because of that?
It sounded like Koko didn't want to come back, and if he did come back to the OHL it was speculated that he would be traded... The ownership group for the spits are a bunch of dix, they took some shots at Koko in the press when he left... The reason he came back is because Boston forced his hand. Rychel said "They had a lot of help from the Bruins".... Read between the lines on that one.

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