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01-07-2013, 03:02 PM
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So yeah, apparently Bouchard is symptom free so he better be playing!!
He hasn't yet played with contact so I wouldn't pencil him into the lineup just yet. If he is ready I would rather have him on a line with Granny instead of Cullen. Those two could make some great plays together. Although that line seems a bit soft with either Cullen or Butch on the wing there is not really another option. I am guessing Butch will still be out for the rest of the year. I have just lost all hope in him staying healthy. So hopefully Cullen has his early season offensive explosion like the past two years.

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01-07-2013, 03:16 PM
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Is that because of circumstance or is he not ready? I agree with the others that I think that the combination of players on that line could really work well.
*IF Bouchard is cleared to play:

1. Mikko Koivu
2. Zach Parise
3. Mikael Granlund
4. Devin Setoguchi
5. Pierre-Marc Bouchard
6. Matt Cullen
7. Kyle Brodziak
8. Cal Clutterbuck
9. Torrey Mitchell
10. Darroll Powe
11. Zenon Konopka
12. Matt Kassian

Two-way deals legitimately in line for bottom 6:
1. Jake Dowell
2. Nick Palmieri
3. Stephane Veilleux
4. David McIntyre
5. Jarod Palmer
6. Carson McMillan

Coyle will need an injury to find his way onto the Wild line-up. Bouchard may be it, however the Wild could chose to go with a safer route and move a player up the depth chart while elevating a player on a two-way that I listed.

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01-07-2013, 03:19 PM
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Clutterbuck isn't going to be on the 4th line.
You're right. He's going to be traded in that scenario.

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And Coyle isn't starting the year with the Wild, IMO. Especially if Bouchard can actually go from the start.
You're right. But going forward (and if PMB can stay healthy), that would be a lethal 3rd line. Maybe not so physical, but we have our 4th line to take care of that.

That only leaves our 2nd line. Let's see how Cullen does before throwing him to the wolves. Shortened season might suit him fine. If not, we have a problem. Who do we replace him with? Zucker? Sure, having Zucker and Setoguchi scoring from Granlund's feeds would be nice but that line would be quite small and even with Zucker's two-way play, they would be a defensive liability. Larsson? No, we can't have him over Zucker. It's just not reasonable, unless he can prove that he can outplay Zucker. I don't see that happening.

As of 2013, I'm proposing:

Parise-Koivu-Heatley
Cullen-Granlund-Setoguchi
Bouchard-Brodziak-Coyle
Mitchell-Konopka/Dowell-Powe
Veilleux

Palmieri might be one option going down the line. If he can develop into an NHL-level power forward, we could use him on the 2nd line with Zucker and Granlund moving forward, or have him take Coyle's spot on the 3rd line. Of course that would mean that Setoguchi would be moved, which I don't see happening. He should be given an opportunity.

We could also move Granlund between Parise and Heatley, and have Koivu center Zucker and Setoguchi. That might actually work... Nah, it won't.

If we'd move Clutterbuck+ for C. Gunnarsson as I've proposed earlier, our team would look very good.

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01-07-2013, 03:32 PM
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I don't think we can just assume Clutterbuck is going to be traded at this point.

Your safer assumption is that Bouchard won't be ready. In which I would personally go something like I posted previous:

Parise - Koivu - Coyle
Heatley - Brodziak - Granlund
Setoguchi - Cullen - Clutterbuck
Mitchell - Konopka - Powe
Kassian

But I can just as easily see Yeo not wanting to find consistency with his team in addition to bringing two rookies along in key roles and the lines would look something like:

Parise - Koivu - Heatley
Setoguchi - Granlund - Cullen
Mitchell - Brodziak - Clutterbuck
Veilleux - Konopka - Powe
Kassian

I honestly think Granlund will be the only rookie for a few games barring multiple injuries as Yeo will want to get a sense of what he's working with before supplementing it with help from Houston. That way he'll have a better idea of what sort of player he needs to add.

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01-07-2013, 03:59 PM
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I don't think we can just assume Clutterbuck is going to be traded at this point.

Your safer assumption is that Bouchard won't be ready. In which I would personally go something like I posted previous:

Parise - Koivu - Coyle
Heatley - Brodziak - Granlund
Setoguchi - Cullen - Clutterbuck
Mitchell - Konopka - Powe
Kassian

But I can just as easily see Yeo not wanting to find consistency with his team in addition to bringing two rookies along in key roles and the lines would look something like:

Parise - Koivu - Heatley
Setoguchi - Granlund - Cullen
Mitchell - Brodziak - Clutterbuck
Veilleux - Konopka - Powe
Kassian

I honestly think Granlund will be the only rookie for a few games barring multiple injuries as Yeo will want to get a sense of what he's working with before supplementing it with help from Houston. That way he'll have a better idea of what sort of player he needs to add.
Yeah, ima go for that 2nd lineup

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01-07-2013, 04:33 PM
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Reading through the thread and see most scenarios with Torrey Mitchell on the 4th line. Did we really sign Mitchell to a three year deal at $1.9M/yr to play the 4th line?

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He hasn't yet played with contact so I wouldn't pencil him into the lineup just yet. If he is ready I would rather have him on a line with Granny instead of Cullen. Those two could make some great plays together. Although that line seems a bit soft with either Cullen or Butch on the wing there is not really another option. I am guessing Butch will still be out for the rest of the year. I have just lost all hope in him staying healthy. So hopefully Cullen has his early season offensive explosion like the past two years.
I ran into PMB at Kowalskis in Woodbury just a couple of days ago and asked about his injury, he said he should be good to go for the season, has a couple more tests to do to make sure but he seemed pretty positive about it!

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01-07-2013, 06:24 PM
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Reading through the thread and see most scenarios with Torrey Mitchell on the 4th line. Did we really sign Mitchell to a three year deal at $1.9M/yr to play the 4th line?
No, but at the moment if PMB is cleared to play(big IF) thats where he likely ends up. I tend to think they are not going to start Zucker or Coyle up for anything higher than second line duty. I think if PMB isn't cleared third line will be

Parise-Koivu-Heatley
Cullen-Granlund-Seto
Mitchell-Brodziak-Clutterbuck
Powe-Brodziak-Dowell/Kassian/Veileux

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01-07-2013, 07:49 PM
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id go something like this

Parise Koivu Setoguchi
Heater Granlund Coyle/Zucker
Cullen Brodziak Clutterbuck
Mitchell Kenopka Powe

Suter Spurgeon
Gilbert Scandella
Stoner Falk/Processor

Backstrom
Hackett (unless Hardings good to go?)

Wish Brodin was healthy so we could slide him in the top 4

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01-07-2013, 08:29 PM
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Parise-Koivu-Butch ---$$
Heatley-Granlund-Seto-Not my favorite combo but Granlund could change the dynamic of a Seto/heatley line
Cullen-Brodziak-Clutter - lots of heart on this line. although cullen and clutter play on an island they do play with speed and energy. Could be good to cause some disruption
Mitchell - Konopka - Powe
Kassian

Suter Spurgeon
Gilbert Scandella
Stoner Falk/Processor

defense still needs some work/experience but I think Suter and a full year of Gilbert make it at least an average unit. Depending on how well spurgie and scandy are playing you could switch Gilbert with spurgeon.

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Bouchard can't play a bottom 6 roll, Cullen IS NOT a top 6 forward, it is really as simple as that folks. Bouchard plays with Granlund and Seto, and Cullen goes the 3rd line, no other way does that work.

BTW, Kampfer is not a bad option on d for a 6th man, he hits hard and has a decent shot, not a bad option to consider on D while Scandella in particular recovers.

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Bouchard can't play a bottom 6 roll, Cullen IS NOT a top 6 forward, it is really as simple as that folks. Bouchard plays with Granlund and Seto, and Cullen goes the 3rd line, no other way does that work.
Who says Bouchard has to play a bottom six role? 3rd line LW doesn't automatically mean he has to turn into a hard-hitting two-way beast. He can compliment Brodziak and Coyle/Cluster**** with his elite playmaking and dazzling speed, but if he's slotted into a line with Granlund and Seto, the line will immediately become too soft.

And I think it's safe to say he can't handle big minutes at this stage of his career. It's better to make him play lesser minutes and PP rather than big minutes and risk another and almost certainly terminal concussion.

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Bouchard hasn't even been cleared for contact yet. How the hell is he gonna be ready for opening night? I don't care if he says he's "symptom free", I highly doubt we'll see him in the opening night line-up.

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Bouchard can't play a bottom 6 roll, Cullen IS NOT a top 6 forward, it is really as simple as that folks. Bouchard plays with Granlund and Seto, and Cullen goes the 3rd line, no other way does that work.
You best call Mike Yeo and tell him that. Because he's on record saying thats how he's starting the year.

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I highly doubt Bouchard is playing this year.

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just a couple tests he said, count him in guys.

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Bouchard can't play a bottom 6 roll, Cullen IS NOT a top 6 forward, it is really as simple as that folks. Bouchard plays with Granlund and Seto, and Cullen goes the 3rd line, no other way does that work.
Could not agree more! That is of course if Bouchard is healthy. Please be healthy. He is such an x-factor for our team. When he is playing we are a way better team. I think someone figured out that stats on how we played with and without Bouchard last year, but then again there was tons of injuries that seemed to hit around the same time.

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I saw something like this for lines:
parise-koivu-heatley
cullen-granlund-setoguchi
PMB-brodziak-clutter
4th line

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If Bouchard is healthy enough to start why are people putting him on the 3rd line instead of Cullen. I love Cully but he proved last year that he is much more ineffective when put on the 2nd line. And PMB and Granlund feeding each other would be sick.

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Parise-Koivu-Heatley
Coyle-Granlund-Setoguchi
Zucker-Brodziak-Bouchard
Mitchell-Cullen-Clutterbuck

Gives Yeo the ability to play lines 2-4 based on how they are playing that night and how the game is going.

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I'm pretty sure Konopka can be penned in to that 4th line center role.

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as a founding member in The Church of Yeo... I have faith in whatever he decides.

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as a founding member in The Church of Yeo... I have faith in whatever he decides.
+1

He'll figure it out.

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He'll figure it out.
Yeah... The problem is that I had my own thoughts on the lines about half typed out and that is when it hit me...

Am I a founding member of The Church or not?

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