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01-07-2013, 02:32 PM
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Only one I could possibly see staying is Visnovsky, he didn't want to be in Long Island to begin with, is now playing for his hometown team and is absolutely loved over there. He's in the last years of his career Could see him pulling a Ziggy Palffy retiring and just deciding to stay over there as a "comeback" He'd be barred from playing in the NHL for 2 years but who care's he'd rather be there anyway. Any word on S. Kostitsyn? He had a lot to say about possibly staying earlier in the lockout.
The problem that he that he had with the trade was that he supposedly had a NTC with LA when he signed the deal. He said he would have approved it anyways

edit : And Visnovsky is slovakian

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01-07-2013, 02:36 PM
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Those guys would actually have to sign an offer sheet.
Glenn Sather typically plays hardball with his rfa's. They get more leverage in negotiating and more money. Why wouldn't they sign? The Flyers aren't Winnipeg.

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01-07-2013, 03:08 PM
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Sounds like there's multiple teams interested in Luongo.

If Florida gets him, what do you think the value of Markstrom is?

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01-07-2013, 03:11 PM
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The problem that he that he had with the trade was that he supposedly had a NTC with LA when he signed the deal. He said he would have approved it anyways

edit : And Visnovsky is slovakian
The point is hes in the KHL and is contemplating staying

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01-07-2013, 03:30 PM
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The point is hes in the KHL and is contemplating staying
Depends how important $3 million (or how ever much) is to him.

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01-07-2013, 03:42 PM
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Depends how important $3 million (or how ever much) is to him.
Yea vs being in a place he wants to be, his family wants to be and where he is loved. He got a 5 minute standing ovation from the crowd in the last game he played in at the end of the game from a sellout crowd.

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01-07-2013, 04:30 PM
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Brennan Klak ‏@nhlupdate
Lubomir Visnovsky has announced that he will stay in the KHL for the remainder of the 2012-13 season

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Brennan Klak ‏@nhlupdate
Lubomir Visnovsky has announced that he will stay in the KHL for the remainder of the 2012-13 season

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01-07-2013, 04:34 PM
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I don't see how the NHL and KHL agreement won't force him to return to the NHL.

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YKNOW I GUESS YA TRADE FER SOMEONE NAMED LUBAZIR TVERDOSKY OR WHATEVER HIS NAME IS AN YA TAKES YER CHANCES HE GOES HOME TA RUSSIA! LET'S GO!

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01-07-2013, 04:59 PM
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So let me get this straight?

Lubomir Visnovsky would rather stay in Russia, and make less money than return to the NY Islanders?

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01-07-2013, 05:01 PM
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I don't see how the NHL and KHL agreement won't force him to return to the NHL.

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YKNOW I GUESS YA TRADE FER SOMEONE NAMED LUBAZIR TVERDOSKY OR WHATEVER HIS NAME IS AN YA TAKES YER CHANCES HE GOES HOME TA RUSSIA! LET'S GO!
In a normal situation, i would agree that the agreement would preclude signing a contract, but the lockout allowed him to legally sign with the khl, and it is quite possible that the agreement did not have language to cover this.

To be honest, i think he has every right to stay, as an intellectual matter. The league locked him out, so it seems reasonable that he be given the option to remain with the alternate position he found in the interim.

The IIHF would never sanction the Russians over a case with these kind of ambiguities anyway.

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01-07-2013, 05:01 PM
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So let me get this straight?

Lubomir Visnovsky would rather stay in Russia, and make less money than return to the NY Islanders?
Yea I would too. He gets to close out his career in his home town where he and his family want to be. He never wanted to go there in the first place.

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01-07-2013, 05:02 PM
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So let me get this straight?

Lubomir Visnovsky would rather stay in Russia, and make less money than return to the NY Islanders?
I believe he wants to see the season through with his current club (possibly including playoffs) then return to the NHL.

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01-07-2013, 05:15 PM
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In a normal situation, i would agree that the agreement would preclude signing a contract, but the lockout allowed him to legally sign with the khl, and it is quite possible that the agreement did not have language to cover this.

To be honest, i think he has every right to stay, as an intellectual matter. The league locked him out, so it seems reasonable that he be given the option to remain with the alternate position he found in the interim.

The IIHF would never sanction the Russians over a case with these kind of ambiguities anyway.
And the lockout contracts came with outclauses for when the NHL started back up.

So, his contract in the KHL should be terminated and he should return to the islanders.

The transfer agreement is put in place to prevent situations like this.

And for your second post :

He will be a FA after this year and is expected to sign. He simply doesn't want to play with the islanders. He made that pretty obvious when he and the PA filed a grievance

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So this "Cap Benefit Recapture" clause could come back to bite the Flyers, huh? WHY would the owners (esp. Snider)agree to this??

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And the lockout contracts came with outclauses for when the NHL started back up.

So, his contract in the KHL should be terminated and he should return to the islanders.

The transfer agreement is put in place to prevent situations like this.

And for your second post :

He will be a FA after this year and is expected to sign. He simply doesn't want to play with the islanders. He made that pretty obvious when he and the PA filed a grievance
And what if his intentions are to not play in the NHL ever again?

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01-07-2013, 05:29 PM
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And what if his intentions are to not play in the NHL ever again?
Then he should have said that at the NHLPA grievance meeting.

After they ruled that the deal was valid, he said he looked forward to playing with the Islanders.

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That was before the season was locked out. Now hes over there, hes old and comfortable and not coming back.

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And he is violating the terms of the contract.

And the KHL is violating the terms of their agreement with the NHL

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So let me get this straight?

Lubomir Visnovsky would rather stay in Russia, and make less money than return to the NY Islanders?
Well... he is in Slovakia... and if I had the option and was in his position I may well stay in Slovakia, especially since he is:

Near the end of NHL career anyway... has 2 years left max.
Basically in his home town.
Is adored over there.

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