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01-07-2013, 07:34 PM
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I don't understand how anyone can say the cap hit is not affecting the Bruins this year. I'm a go for it every year guy. Unrealistic maybe, but how many more years is Chara's window? If we come down to the playoffs, and Tuukka is holding the fort, but we're one elite UFA away from challenging for the cup, but we don't have the cap room to add what we need, you're damn right I'll be bitter with Thomas.

I love the guy, I have an autographed Thomas jersey hanging in my basement. I'm Canadian and couldn't care less about the politics. He authored the Bruins first cup in my lifetime (technically I was born in 71 but don't really remember the '72 cup). But if he handcuffs us from going for it again this year, I'll be a little bitter about how it all ended.
Savard to LTIR

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01-07-2013, 07:35 PM
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I'll say it again: YOU CAN'T BUY HIM OUT, IT'S AGAINST THE RULES

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BUYING OUT A 35+ CONTRACT DOESN"T REMOVE IT FROM THE CAP
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Buying him out gives you nothing, zilch, nada, and whatever else means zero.
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I'll say it again: YOU CAN'T BUY HIM OUT, IT'S AGAINST THE RULES

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BUYING OUT A 35+ CONTRACT DOESN"T REMOVE IT FROM THE CAP
Can't believe I forgot that. Stupid lockout.

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01-07-2013, 07:41 PM
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Savard to LTIR

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So we'll have 6 in space instead of 11. More cap room at the deadline for a contending team can never be a bad thing. Ever.

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01-07-2013, 07:42 PM
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I'll say it again: YOU CAN'T BUY HIM OUT, IT'S AGAINST THE RULES

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BUYING OUT A 35+ CONTRACT DOESN"T REMOVE IT FROM THE CAP
Do we know if this is true under the new CBA?

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Do we know if this is true under the new CBA?
There have been reports that hasn't changed. There are compliance buyouts next year and the year after. Although those wont apply to TT since his will have expired by then.

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Do we know if this is true under the new CBA?
yes we do

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So we'll have 6 in space instead of 11. More cap room at the deadline for a contending team can never be a bad thing. Ever.
When have the Bruins added 11m at the deadline?

If Thomas just says, "You know, physically, I'm done. I just hurt too much and can't play" and retired... would you feel better about it, even though it would have the same cap implications?

And also, do you feel like Marc Savard is being selfish by collecting a paycheck for not playing for multiple years even though he knows he's done? Wouldn't that 4m help the Bs? How selfish of him to want $ for not playing and not retiring when he knows he's done.

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So contracts now say "if you feel like it?" Dumbest thing i've heard in years of contract analysis/negotiations/litigation.

But don't want to fight. Timmy was amazing. Always grateful. Now cross fingers that tuukka/svedberg/subban etc. Can come close to his success in the next decade or so
It seems two contracts from each team now say "if the team feels like it" after the recent negotiations....

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01-07-2013, 08:08 PM
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When have the Bruins added 11m at the deadline?

If Thomas just says, "You know, physically, I'm done. I just hurt too much and can't play" and retired... would you feel better about it, even though it would have the same cap implications?

And also, do you feel like Marc Savard is being selfish by collecting a paycheck for not playing for multiple years even though he knows he's done? Wouldn't that 4m help the Bs? How selfish of him to want $ for not playing and not retiring when he knows he's done.
No idea. Maybe close with Nylander and Gonchar? That's not really the point though. If an opportunity presented itself and we couldn't do it due to cap space, that would royally suck.

Yes. I would feel better about it. Much better. I fully respect what he's doing with his family. I'm about his age, and have 2 young girls. It would kill me to miss them as much as an NHL player like Tim would during a season. I would never call him selfish. I think he had his reasons, it's just that unfortunately it may have a negative impact on my favorite team.

And comparing his situation to Savard is beyond foolish. I could care less about JJ's money. I only care about the Bruins winning. Savard's situation has zero to do with our cap space.

Come on Quincy. Your a smart guy, but you can often come off like a know it all instead of having an intelligent conversation. Consider the merits of other's opinions every once in a while.

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01-07-2013, 08:11 PM
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It seems two contracts from each team now say "if the team feels like it" after the recent negotiations....
They'll get 2/3 of their money. Bruins are getting 0% of thomas' 4th k year.

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01-07-2013, 10:22 PM
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Khudobin stays in Russia, Rask pops a groin, Thomas rides in in March and the Bruins are the 2013 Champs. Would anyone doubt that could happen? Not me..Not with the Comeback Kid!

The entire team gets a tired excuse after the Capitals debacle, except Timmy of course..even though in three of his losses he gave up 2 goals each game.


As for the rest of your well constructed argument (see Khudobin thread)....

*crickets*

My biggest fear is what TT would add to a team like the Caps, flyers, or even the laffs. People doubt him b/c he's 38? I've been hearing that argument since he's been 34. They'll eventually be proven right at some point.

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Come on Quincy. Your a smart guy, but you can often come off like a know it all instead of having an intelligent conversation. Consider the merits of other's opinions every once in a while.
you mean mister devil's advocate? one of the very few good things about the lockout was not seeing his blabbering for months.

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As for the rest of your well constructed argument (see Khudobin thread)....

*crickets*

My biggest fear is what TT would add to a team like the Caps, flyers, or even the laffs. People doubt him b/c he's 38? I've been hearing that argument since he's been 34. They'll eventually be proven right at some point.
given all the stuff we've read about him, i'd also gather that thomas is pretty keen on playing in the olympics in 2014. imagine this guy taking a full year off, coming back, dominating, and then leading the USA to a gold medal after wrestling the starting job away from quick, miller or schneider? that'd be an even more ridiculous ending to his disney movie-like career.

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And also, do you feel like Marc Savard is being selfish by collecting a paycheck for not playing for multiple years even though he knows he's done? Wouldn't that 4m help the Bs? How selfish of him to want $ for not playing and not retiring when he knows he's done.
You've been rolling out this same old tired argument this entire time. The only problem with it is the 2 situations couldn't be more different.

It's about as lame as the people saying TT not retiring is helping the Bruins, like they somehow could have traded him

I'm a huge TT supporter and think he should be able to make any choices he wants about his future and career. But me and everyone else is still allowed to have an opinion about it.

He was a great goalie, still is. Did something that no other Bruins goalie did for as ling as I've been alive.

But him walking out is leaving the Bruins high and dry, there is no denying that, no matter how much you spin it or point at an injured guy who'd kill to play again.

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given all the stuff we've read about him, i'd also gather that thomas is pretty keen on playing in the olympics in 2014. imagine this guy taking a full year off, coming back, dominating, and then leading the USA to a gold medal after wrestling the starting job away from quick, miller or schneider? that'd be an even more ridiculous ending to his disney movie-like career.
Do you even think that's possible? If Burke is running that team I doubt he's even thinking Thomas with those other guys in the mix.

And if he does come back, not with the Bruins, I wish him the worst of luck.(on the ice)

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given all the stuff we've read about him, i'd also gather that thomas is pretty keen on playing in the olympics in 2014. imagine this guy taking a full year off, coming back, dominating, and then leading the USA to a gold medal after wrestling the starting job away from quick, miller or schneider? that'd be an even more ridiculous ending to his disney movie-like career.
No way. Miller would hire Tonya Harding to do a knee job on TT before he'd let that happen.

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It'll be interesting to see what happens to him next season. I can't imagine he'll get over a year... and any money is an absolute gamble. But I am sure people would be willing to risk it for him though. without a doubt.



I still think there is a chance the b's can move his rights and unload that cap to a cellar team that has the room and is willing to take on a free 5mil for a pick or something of the sort.

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You've been rolling out this same old tired argument this entire time. The only problem with it is the 2 situations couldn't be more different.

It's about as lame as the people saying TT not retiring is helping the Bruins, like they somehow could have traded him

I'm a huge TT supporter and think he should be able to make any choices he wants about his future and career. But me and everyone else is still allowed to have an opinion about it.

He was a great goalie, still is. Did something that no other Bruins goalie did for as ling as I've been alive.

But him walking out is leaving the Bruins high and dry, there is no denying that, no matter how much you spin it or point at an injured guy who'd kill to play again.
I'll just respond to you tonight, patty.

I agree with everything you're saying. But I still won't...

Family comes before your cap hit on a hockey team. Yeah, Thomas has made things a little more difficult on the cap for us. But it's not a malicious decision... It's prioritizing in a way that I completely sympathize with.

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Timmy doesn't owe anything to me, to you, to any of the fans in Boston. But he does owe a year of service to the Boston Bruins.

Thanks for the Cup. It is probably the greatest memory of my short life so far. But no thanks for walking out at the end of it. If you want to take a year off wait til your contract expires OR retire. The decision to walk away wasn't to help the Bruins so it really doesn't matter if him retiring "hurts" the Bruins. It was managements choice to sign him to a long term over 35+ contract knowing that they would be liable for the hit in every year no matter what unless he was traded.

There are rules put in place if you are done with hockey you retire. You don't just bail on your contract. You can, in fact unretire if you so please, but if you want to stop playing hockey before your contract is up you should retire. Period.

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Timmy doesn't owe anything to me, to you, to any of the fans in Boston. But he does owe a year of service to the Boston Bruins.

Thanks for the Cup. It is probably the greatest memory of my short life so far. But no thanks for walking out at the end of it. If you want to take a year off wait til your contract expires OR retire. The decision to walk away wasn't to help the Bruins so it really doesn't matter if him retiring "hurts" the Bruins. It was managements choice to sign him to a long term over 35+ contract knowing that they would be liable for the hit in every year no matter what unless he was traded.

There are rules put in place if you are done with hockey you retire. You don't just bail on your contract. You can, in fact unretire if you so please, but if you want to stop playing hockey before your contract is up you should retire. Period.
What's the difference between him retiring officially and saying he needs time off? The only difference would be him using the word retire.

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What's the difference between him retiring officially and saying he needs time off? The only difference would be him using the word retire.
That and the fact he is under contract if he just says he needs time off, but he no longer has a contract if he retires.

Tim and his agent negotiated a contract and signed on the dotted line. He has an obligation to honor that contract IMO. If he doesn't want to, he should then retire.

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That and the fact he is under contract if he just says he needs time off, but he no longer has a contract if he retires.

Tim and his agent negotiated a contract and signed on the dotted line. He has an obligation to honor that contract IMO. If he doesn't want to, he should then retire.
If he retires he is STILL under contract regardless and the Bruins would still be on the hook for his cap hit. It's that stupid 35+ rule.

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Q: Is Visnovsky situation on the Isle/KHL similar to TT situation and ok?

Wants to stay in Russia and play for KHL, which is obviously much closer to his family and his culture.

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