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Luongo: Light at the end of the tunnel?

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01-07-2013, 09:02 PM
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Ok, fair enough. I understand your points and they do make sense. However, what do you expect to get for a 33 year old goalie with a massive contract? And let's use the Leafs because it does seem like the most plausible location at this point....
I'm not saying it doesn't affect his value, but the alleged back diving clause in the CBA hurts us more then any team that would acquire him. We're like 12 hours away from all the nitty gritty being made public, but his contract, if it is an issue, is small potatoes compared to the positive impact he'd have on the Leafs specifically.

I understand the qualms Leafs fans have about pulling their team apart, and giving key pieces, but he's been our MVP since we got him, and has been the biggest reason we haven't been in perpetual rebuild for that time too.

Also, with what we know from the CBA details already, we have until the beginning of next season to move him if we don't like the offers as they stand, so we need something that will improve us in the same way Luongo would improve the Leafs, or Blue Jackets, or Panthers, or whomever, and if we can't get an improvement at least on the same block as what Luongo will be doing to the other sides, whether it be a single game breaker piece or smaller positive contributions, then we will simply hold on to him.

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In all honesty it would have to be a 1st for me if we did.

We have players like Ashton, but we lack talent in our prospect pool.
So do we, atleast up front. Kadri is our only high end forward prospect, while we are stacked with young D.
Kadri isnt exactly a non starter but he is close.

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01-07-2013, 09:04 PM
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How about Ashton and a pick instead of Kadri?
Big young former first rounder?
Not unless that pick is a 1st.

Said it before say it again, something like this:
Bozak - Makes too much sense, Gillis already asked for him once, and tried to sign him
Kadri - high potential, could be the 2nd line winger
1st/Finn - Has to be high, as Bozak will probably walk at the seasons end

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IMO without Ballard with Franson it would be more like

Tanev Edler
Franson garrison

I don't mind it, but for this season would rather have Ballard Tanev.

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I would assume Ballard would be gone (either this year or next).

I worry about Edler/Garrison nursing injuries through the season. I like the idea of Franson alternating with Tanev and being insurance for injuries.

I mean if we lose any of our top 6 dmen for (lets say 2 weeks) that could easily be 5-6 games. And I really dont wanna see Alberts much this year.

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01-07-2013, 09:08 PM
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Not unless that pick is a 1st.

Said it before say it again, something like this:
Bozak - Makes too much sense, Gillis already asked for him once, and tried to sign him
Kadri - high potential, could be the 2nd line winger
1st/Finn - Has to be high, as Bozak will probably walk at the seasons end
Kadri and Finn both have the value of a mid first round pick. Kind of a high price to pay.

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Connolly + Kadri + Ashton + Franson

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Luongo +

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So do we, atleast up front. Kadri is our only high end forward prospect, while we are stacked with young D.
Kadri isnt exactly a non starter but he is close.
Fine, we will take Rielly/Gardner

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I would assume Ballard would be gone (either this year or next).

I worry about Edler/Garrison nursing injuries through the season. I like the idea of Franson alternating with Tanev and being insurance for injuries.

I mean if we lose any of our top 6 dmen for (lets say 2 weeks) that could easily be 5-6 games. And I really dont wanna see Alberts much this year.
I think we hold on to him until the summer, having him gives us insurance especially as you said on Edler Garrison, I also think we sign Vandermeer, as a depth guy. I am not opposed to Franson, I just don't see value in him.

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So do we, atleast up front. Kadri is our only high end forward prospect, while we are stacked with young D.
Kadri isnt exactly a non starter but he is close.
I know what you mean. A lot of Canucks fans hated the Hodgson trade because he was the first promising prospect we had in a while (people talked about captaincy, ppg 1st line center etc).

It sucks to lose that, but hes also your most valuable piece that is expedable (unlike Rielly, Gardiner, Kessel, Phaneuf )

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01-07-2013, 09:13 PM
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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...to-luongo.html

Base on this article, if Luongo was trade to Toronto and retired before the final 3 years of his contract, both Vancouver and Toronto would pay a cap penalty of about 2 million per year for 3 years.

Am I reading that correctly.

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01-07-2013, 09:14 PM
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Fine, we will take Rielly/Gardner



I think we hold on to him until the summer, having him gives us insurance especially as you said on Edler Garrison, I also think we sign Vandermeer, as a depth guy. I am not opposed to Franson, I just don't see value in him.
Ive seen people value him saying hes worth a 2nd round pick which is a major exageration (imo).

I don't see him holding huge value, but I think we have a natural love for bc boy/ex giants.
I see him as a cost effective 3rd pairing d-man with some decent offense.

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Kadri and Finn both have the value of a mid first round pick. Kind of a high price to pay.
Oh I agree, but that is why we want both, and I think both are expendable from your end as you currently have great winger depth, and Rielly Gardiner are a head of Finn, with Percy in the system as well.

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Connolly + Kadri + Ashton + Franson

for

Luongo +
I could have sworn I turned this down already...

Change Ashton to Finn/1st/Biggs and we can talk. IMO.

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Not unless that pick is a 1st.

Said it before say it again, something like this:
Bozak - Makes too much sense, Gillis already asked for him once, and tried to sign him
Kadri - high potential, could be the 2nd line winger
1st/Finn - Has to be high, as Bozak will probably walk at the seasons end
Bozak... Kadri.. AND a 1st? A high one too?

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01-07-2013, 09:18 PM
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Bozak... Kadri.. AND a 1st? A high one too?
You're right. We'll just give you an all-star goalie for free because we are really nice people.

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Bozak... Kadri.. AND a 1st? A high one too?
I think he meant the over all price, not either side being high or the first being high specifically.

Finn or a mid first is a high addition,with Kadri, Bozak and a cap dump. Honestly, under the circumstances, and I know I stand alone, if we got the three other pieces, I'd be willing to take Komisarek this season as well. We use Connolly until Kesler is back, and waive/trade him, and we buy out Komisarek with (possibly) Ballard next off season if neither of them are making the impact their cap hits dictate.

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Oh I agree, but that is why we want both, and I think both are expendable from your end as you currently have great winger depth, and Rielly Gardiner are a head of Finn, with Percy in the system as well.


I could have sworn I turned this down already...

Change Ashton to Finn/1st/Biggs and we can talk. IMO.
Couldn't do both Kadri and Biggs in the deal.

Maybe Colborne, Connolly, Biggs, Franson

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Bozak... Kadri.. AND a 1st? A high one too?
How do you know its a high one? That pesimistic?

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Ive seen people value him saying hes worth a 2nd round pick which is a major exageration (imo).

I don't see him holding huge value, but I think we have a natural love for bc boy/ex giants.
I see him as a cost effective 3rd pairing d-man with some decent offense.
It would seem we do. I think our only difference in thinking is I see this season as a might as well keep as many big guns season. Absolute worst case we buyout Ballard, and even then I would imagine he gets traded first.

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Bozak... Kadri.. AND a 1st? A high one too?
What makes you think it will be a high first? Especially giving up that package where you will have lost only Bozak from your roster and gained Luongo?

I think most people would see at worst you guys competed hard for a playoff spot, and most of those people would see you making the Playoffs. I would think at worst the pick would be 15th.

Also see above for other reply.

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prediction
Luongo to Toronto Wednesday afternoon.

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I know what you mean. A lot of Canucks fans hated the Hodgson trade because he was the first promising prospect we had in a while (people talked about captaincy, ppg 1st line center etc).

It sucks to lose that, but hes also your most valuable piece that is expedable (unlike Rielly, Gardiner, Kessel, Phaneuf )
I understand that. And I am ok in trading Kadri in the right deal. But Kadri, Finn, Franson and Connolly/Bozak are alot to give up in the same deal. I would say ruffly the equivalent of 2 firsts and 2 thirds. About the same we gave up for Kessel if you look at it before we realized how good the kessel picks would be.

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Couldn't do both Kadri and Biggs in the deal.

Maybe Colborne, Connolly, Biggs, Franson
Not high at all on Colbourne, Finn? or 1st?

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I think he meant the over all price, not either side being high or the first being high specifically.

Finn or a mid first is a high addition,with Kadri, Bozak and a cap dump. Honestly, under the circumstances, and I know I stand alone, if we got the three other pieces, I'd be willing to take Komisarek this season as well. We use Connolly until Kesler is back, and waive/trade him, and we buy out Komisarek with (possibly) Ballard next off season if neither of them are making the impact their cap hits dictate.
What are you actually purposing? Sorry too many deals being proposed it gets confusing.

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Small question, do we have to wait until the players vote as well? Cause I heard that might not be until later in the week.

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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...to-luongo.html

Base on this article, if Luongo was trade to Toronto and retired before the final 3 years of his contract, both Vancouver and Toronto would pay a cap penalty of about 2 million per year for 3 years.

Am I reading that correctly.
According to that if we trade for him we would pay a cap penalty if he retires before his contract is done. If that is the case his vale drops dramatically imo.

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Small question, do we have to wait until the players vote as well? Cause I heard that might not be until later in the week.
No idea tbh. Just want this done

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I have a feeling Luongo won't get traded until the trade deadline. If there's a good team that's desperately in need of a goalie to make the playoffs, Gillis could get better value.

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Who wants to Av bet me that the Canucks won't get a 1st out of the leafs? if he were to come to Toronto, obviously.

Pretty simple bet. Chances are we both don't lose.

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I understand that. And I am ok in trading Kadri in the right deal. But Kadri, Finn, Franson and Connolly/Bozak are alot to give up in the same deal. I would say ruffly the equivalent of 2 firsts and 2 thirds. About the same we gave up for Kessel if you look at it before we realized how good the kessel picks would be.
Didn't lindback just get 2 2nds and a 4th?

I think it is a lot, and the is a reason for it, Luongo has been very good for his entire career. Personally if we co Franson Connolly instead of Bozak, I don't know how you don't jump at it. It is really just a cap dump and a player who hasn't signed, and has a low value.

Bozak I understand holds more value to you as he is currently your 1C.

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