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01-07-2013, 09:28 PM
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According to that if we trade for him we would pay a cap penalty if he retires before his contract is done. If that is the case his vale drops dramatically imo.
Yup for sure.

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01-07-2013, 09:29 PM
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Who wants to Av bet me that the Canucks won't get a 1st out of the leafs? if he were to come to Toronto, obviously.

Pretty simple bet. Chances are we both don't lose.
Most Canucks fans arent even expecting a first anymore.

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I understand that. And I am ok in trading Kadri in the right deal. But Kadri, Finn, Franson and Connolly/Bozak are alot to give up in the same deal. I would say ruffly the equivalent of 2 firsts and 2 thirds. About the same we gave up for Kessel if you look at it before we realized how good the kessel picks would be.
And if those picks were Kadri/Finn Toronto would have gotten a steal

I can understand not wanting to trade 1st round picks, but you have a good idea of what you have in Kadri/Finn.

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According to that if we trade for him we would pay a cap penalty if he retires before his contract is done. If that is the case his vale drops dramatically imo.
Yes, possibly a $2 mil penalty 10 years from now when the cap could be $80 mil.
$2 mil cap penalty in 10 years > high quality goaltending for 5+ years

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Yup for sure.
I honestly don't even know if I want him if it is gonna cost us 2.11M a year after he retires until his contract expires.

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According to that if we trade for him we would pay a cap penalty if he retires before his contract is done. If that is the case his vale drops dramatically imo.
But if both Cap space and Salary can be traded, it may not. It may make it very appealing to the panthers, who MAY want that cap hit to get them to the floor when the cap rises, and may enjoy us eating 3 mil of his salary currently.


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Who wants to Av bet me that the Canucks won't get a 1st out of the leafs? if he were to come to Toronto, obviously.

Pretty simple bet. Chances are we both don't lose.
Value of a first? or a first? Cause I can see the canucks taking value vs an outright 1st.

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And if those picks were Kadri/Finn Toronto would have gotten a steal

I can understand not wanting to trade 1st round picks, but you have a good idea of what you have in Kadri/Finn.
Honestly now that it seems he will be effecting our cap even after he retires I wouldnt give Finn and or Kadri for him.

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Honestly now that it seems he will be effecting our cap even after he retires I wouldnt give Finn and or Kadri for him.
Huh, so you don't want high quality goaltending for 5+ years because in 10 years, when the cap could be $80+ mil, there might be a $2 mil cap penalty?


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Yes, possibly a $2 mil penalty 10 years from now when the cap could be $80 mil.
$2 mil cap penalty in 10 years > high quality goaltending for 5+ years
I'm not saying he is valueless. But it does severely reduce it.

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lol Canuck fans actually think they will get a first for loungo? LOL esp this years draft?? If Burke trades our first this year, i will no longer be a fan. Lou is good but his contract is terrible and with new CBA his contract is even worse..He will never play for all of those years he signed so who ever has him when he retires they will still have a cap hit..

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I honestly don't even know if I want him if it is gonna cost us 2.11M a year after he retires until his contract expires.
Isn't that how much you guys are paying Tucker and Armstrong this season?

Best case scenario - Luongo "injures" his groin at the age of 40 and goes on LTIR. Neither TO or VAN pay any fees.

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Value of a first? or a first? Cause I can see the canucks taking value vs an outright 1st.
What Value are we talking?


Biggs and Percy count as 1st.
Finn was a 2nd.


I can see the Canucks getting some value, sure. Kadri ++ ...holds the value of the first.

I'm saying the Nucks wont get that 1st or value of (Biggs/Percy) as an add on to lets say:
Bozak + Kadri (+ 1st or value)
Connolly + Franson (+ 1st or value)
etc

seems a little complicated to write down, you get my drift?

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What are you actually purposing? Sorry too many deals being proposed it gets confusing.
Kadri, Bozak, Finn/unconditional 1st, Lombardi or Connolly and Komisarek for Luongo, and what ever contracts we need to move (ie Tochkin).

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lol Canuck fans actually think they will get a first for loungo? LOL esp this years draft?? If Burke trades our first this year, i will no longer be a fan. Lou is good but his contract is terrible and with new CBA his contract is even worse..He will never play for all of those years he signed so who ever has him when he retires they will still have a cap hit..

Wait so you go along for the crappy ride for how many years & its the trading of a draft pick that would do you in?
GREAT commitment

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Honestly now that it seems he will be effecting our cap even after he retires I wouldnt give Finn and or Kadri for him.
I think Friedman brought up a good point about LTIR.

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Huh, so you don't want high quality goaltending for 5+ years because in 10 years, when the cap could be $80+ mil, there might be a $2 mil cap penalty?

Its funny I dont want to use 10 years of cap space on a guy to play here for the next 5 years?

Multiple years of a penalty on our cap is a major detractor on his value. I probably just need more time to digest this and think about what it would really mean for us but I dont see you guys getting any high value assets anymore.

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When a team like Florida looks at Luongo's contract they dont see the 5.3m cap hit they see his 6.7M in real dollars.
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How about Ashton and a pick instead of Kadri?
Big young former first rounder?
We don't need another 2nd/3rd liner, we need quality.

To me Kadri has to be in the deal, I don't see any other expendable pieces that hold as much value.

Kadri, Bozak, 2nd, Franson?

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Yes, possibly a $2 mil penalty 10 years from now when the cap could be $80 mil.
$2 mil cap penalty in 10 years > high quality goaltending for 5+ years
Not only that but he may "retire" due to an injury at that point where there is then no penalty. In fact I'd wager this be more likely than him retiring out of the blue.

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What Value are we talking?


Biggs and Percy count as 1st.
Finn was a 2nd.


I can see the Canucks getting some value, sure. Kadri ++ ...holds the value of the first.

I'm saying the Nucks wont get that 1st or value of (Biggs/Percy) as an add on to lets say:
Bozak + Kadri (+ 1st or value)
Connolly + Franson (+ 1st or value)
etc

seems a little complicated to write down, you get my drift?
I understand, but it seems awfully complicated as lets be honest, most likely the trade will come from left field and we will be talking about what was the +, vs what is the _______. Plus I actually am starting to think more and more he is going to FLA... and that complicates things even more.

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Only places I see Luongo going to is Toronto or Florida. Tampa will be a alternate for Florida.

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Wait so you go along for the crappy ride for how many years & its the trading of a draft pick that would do you in?
GREAT commitment
why would i be a fan of a gm who trades a first rounder where the draft is possibly one of the best in like 10 years??? because its plain stupid to trade that for a old goaltender. But i hope he learned from his mistake trading those firsts for kessel.

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I think Friedman brought up a good point about LTIR.
Trying to hide a healthy player on LTIR seems risky to me. I would think there would be massive penalties if you were caught. Also I have a tough time seeing Burke acquire a player with the intent of doing something like that as he has been quite critical in the media about the cap circumvention contracts.

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Kadri, Bozak, Finn/unconditional 1st, Lombardi or Connolly and Komisarek for Luongo, and what ever contracts we need to move (ie Tochkin).
We are on the same page then, also we really don't throw Tochkin in enough trades... we should do a value of.

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I think Friedman brought up a good point about LTIR.
Do you have the quote? If it is what I think, it should probably be posted in this thread.

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Fair enough.



We don't need another 2nd/3rd liner, we need quality.

To me Kadri has to be in the deal, I don't see any other expendable pieces that hold as much value.

Kadri, Bozak, 2nd, Franson?
Now knowing that the team acquiring him will pay cap penalties after he retires do you still think he holds that kind of value?

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Does anyone else think the punishment clause makes him even more enticing to a team like Florida?

Sure they pay 6.7M in real dollars but when Luongo decides to retire they essentially have 2M of "free" cap space used up. Pretty good deal for a budget team.

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