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01-07-2013, 09:45 PM
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Trying to hide a healthy player on LTIR seems risky to me. I would think there would be massive penalties if you were caught. Also I have a tough time seeing Burke acquire a player with the intent of doing something like that as he has been quite critical in the media about the cap circumvention contracts.
I think Philly did this successfully a few years ago with Hatcher. The New NHL was too fast for him.

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Does anyone else think the punishment clause makes him even more enticing to a team like Florida?

Sure they pay 6.7M in real dollars but when Luongo decides to retire they essentially have 2M of "free" cap space used up. Pretty good deal for a budget team.
Said it twice already, plus if we can trade salary, so they would only pay 3.7 mil a year.

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What Value are we talking?


Biggs and Percy count as 1st.
Finn was a 2nd.


I can see the Canucks getting some value, sure. Kadri ++ ...holds the value of the first.

I'm saying the Nucks wont get that 1st or value of (Biggs/Percy) as an add on to lets say:
Bozak + Kadri (+ 1st or value)
Connolly + Franson (+ 1st or value)
etc

seems a little complicated to write down, you get my drift?
Finn was drafted in the second round but most people and scouting services expected him to go in the first.
Also he has played very well this season and his stock has only gone up.

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I think Philly did this successfully a few years ago with Hatcher. The New NHL was too fast for him.
Just because it has been done doesn't mean Burke will or would do it.

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I understand, but it seems awfully complicated as lets be honest, most likely the trade will come from left field and we will be talking about what was the +, vs what is the _______. Plus I actually am starting to think more and more he is going to FLA... and that complicates things even more.
Haha yeah.

Wanna make it simple?

if they get 1st, Biggs, Percy. You change my avy. If not, I got yours picked.

Finn may be moved. Hes a decent pick by Toronto, but he holds some value and easier to move then Biggs or Percy who were specifically acquired.

I would rather say; Just this years 1st. but ill give you those 2 players on the bet, if you wish.

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Finn was drafted in the second round but most people and scouting services expected him to go in the first.
Also he has played very well this season and his stock has only gone up.
Oh i know, but i don't want to give him Finn in the bet too.

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Isn't that how much you guys are paying Tucker and Armstrong this season?
Exactly, we have enough our own bad contracts, why take on Vancouver's .

Seriously though, 2.1 mil a year in 7 years isn't the end of the world, its not ideal. Just another wrinkle for the Leafs to consider.

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Does anyone else think the punishment clause makes him even more enticing to a team like Florida?

Sure they pay 6.7M in real dollars but when Luongo decides to retire they essentially have 2M of "free" cap space used up. Pretty good deal for a budget team.
Really its the about same amount of money spent just spread out on the cap differently.

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Said it twice already, plus if we can trade salary, so they would only pay 3.7 mil a year.
As I understand if you eat 3m of his salary you also have to eat 3m of his cap hit.

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My darkhorse team: New York Islanders.

When they move to Brooklyn in a season Tavares and Luongo are great stars to attract a huge hockey following.

When Luongo retires the Islanders get 2M of dead/free cap space. It's like Charles Wang's wet dream.

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Lu for Weiss (upcoming UFA and apparently turned down an offer from FLA)

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[QUOTE=racerjoe;57265935]Not high at all on Colbourne, Finn? or 1st?



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Nah, too high on Finn and the 1st.

Kadri, Biggs, Connolly, Franson

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Lapierre + Luongo

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Just because it has been done doesn't mean Burke will or would do it.
I donno if hell be the gm in 10 years. Maybe it impacts his value a bit, but I dont see it as a dealbreaker by any means.

Maybe Van takes Komisarek off their hands to compensate, or something of that nature? Donno, definitely a curveball though.

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Kadri and Finn both have the value of a mid first round pick. Kind of a high price to pay.
Sorry did Finn not just get passed up in a weaker draft than the upcoming one by 26 teams and then get selected in the second round? How is he worth a mid first round pick.

By chance did you recently flip properties for a living before getting caught with six units on queen's quay with busted windows a big assessment on each and a rapidly fading dream of retiring at 26? Same mentality methinks.

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My darkhorse team: New York Islanders.

When they move to Brooklyn in a season Tavares and Luongo are great stars to attract a huge hockey following.

When Luongo retires the Islanders get 2M of dead/free cap space. It's like Charles Wang's wet dream.
It doesn't save Wang any real money tho. He gets cap savings later but he has to pay the play extra now.

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Really its the about same amount of money spent just spread out on the cap differently.
That works really well for a budget team who need a goalie. Increases the value more so than Luongo just retiring without a cap hit penalty.

FLA ownership ok'd Luongo pre-clause (rumour) so his contract should be even more enticing now.

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Not high at all on Colbourne, Finn? or 1st?



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Nah, too high on Finn and the 1st.

Kadri, Biggs, Connolly, Franson

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Lapierre + Luongo
We really cant lose Lappy, but I would do this (minus lappy)

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I honestly don't even know if I want him if it is gonna cost us 2.11M a year after he retires until his contract expires.
If you think that is bad, how about aquiring a goalie who in his late 30's, has his play diminish and is getting paid 5.3 to be a back up goalie? Sounds excellent. Where are all those same people who where suggesting Lou has such a great contract?

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My darkhorse team: New York Islanders.

When they move to Brooklyn in a season Tavares and Luongo are great stars to attract a huge hockey following.

When Luongo retires the Islanders get 2M of dead/free cap space. It's like Charles Wang's wet dream.
Forgot about them.
hmm.
That may be a option. Start with em and finish with em.

However, i doubt they move the 1st too. They are in the same boat as Toronto + Columbus.

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It doesn't save Wang any real money tho. He gets cap savings later but he has to pay the play extra now.
What happens if Luongo is traded again, say 5 years from now?
(To say Carolina for random sake).

Is T-O off the hook if he retires, or does it just adjust the formula I wonder.

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I would be very happy with a deal like this:

Roberto Luongo
Mason Raymond
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Stephen Weiss
Alexander Petrovic
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Showing why he is a Former Gm
Also showing how difficult his contract could very well be to move. Like him or not, Lawton was a GM, has contacts and is more credible than most here to make that statement. Not sure any team would be willing to pay 30 million for a player to go away, maybe depending on the cap hit if he retires, but Lou will not be as easy to move as many here suggest.

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[Not high at all on Colbourne, Finn? or 1st?



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Nah, too high on Finn and the 1st.

Kadri, Biggs, Connolly, Franson

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Lapierre + Luongo
We're NOT trading Lappy. We searched years to find the perfect 4th line center.



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Also showing how difficult his contract could very well be to move. Like him or not, Lawton was a GM, has contacts and is more credible than most here to make that statement. Not sure any team would be willing to pay 30 million for a player to go away, maybe depending on the cap hit if he retires, but Lou will not be as easy to move as many here suggest.
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I donno if hell be the gm in 10 years. Maybe it impacts his value a bit, but I dont see it as a dealbreaker by any means.

Maybe Van takes Komisarek off their hands to compensate, or something of that nature? Donno, definitely a curveball though.
Still Burke is going to look at the situation down the road as if he would be there and apply the value as he sees it. Also if you want Komi you can have him but taking him from us adds no value to the trade. We can easily afford to buy him out, money doesnt matter to us. Cap space now and down the road does.

I'm not trying to say that Luongo is now worthless just that his value has dropped in light of the "cap-recapture system." Do you think I am wrong on that?

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We really cant lose Lappy, but I would do this (minus lappy)
We'd need something decent in replace of Lapierre.

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It doesn't save Wang any real money tho. He gets cap savings later but he has to pay the play extra now.
It "saves" him money in the sense that all of Luongo's 6.7M annually will be used up at some point.

For a budget team 6.7M in salary vs 5.3 in cap hit wasn't seen as a positive until the new clause.
For a business the star power Luongo brings to a "new" Brooklyn team cannot be overlooked.

Luongo with something to prove vs. King Henrik and the NYR would be a huge selling point.

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