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01-07-2013, 12:15 PM
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Subban has 4 more RCA years. Mtl is one of a few teams that likes the 2nd contract, Price, Patches, Emelin, Diaz, weber, DD, all got 2 year contracts after their ELC and then got big contacts(price,patches). Singing Subban to a 4-5 year deal would be the worst thing. You try to sign him for 2 years now and them give him that long term contract.
100% exactly this

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01-07-2013, 12:36 PM
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$5M per year for 6 years...

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$7.6 per season for 7.6 years.

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01-07-2013, 01:58 PM
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A 2 year deal for Subban at $4M is worth a hell of a lot more than a 5 year deal at $4M if you look at the big picture. If he's proven himself as a legit #1, he's be something like 24-25 years old RFA and he probably be easily making $6M per year at that point.

As I see this, it comes down to how comfortable Bergevin/the Habs are with signing PK to a long term deal. If he's signing a long term deal - the compensation/year will go up signficantly.
I have to disagree. You need to look at this strictly from Subban's perspective and from a dollars and cents POV. The whole "big picture" thing comes across as naive and idealistic. The 2 yr, $4 M/year is definitely what Montreal would want, but I don't see Subban or his agent agreeing to a 2-year deal that will pay him a little less than his market price (we can agree to disagree on what that is, if you'd like). A 2 year deal doesn't work for him because he still ends up as an RFA and if he has a bad season then he loses his bargaining chip and the best he can do is take the team to arbitration.

My guess is, he will want somewhere in the range of what Carlson or Fowler got and most likely a little more than what they got in terms of money. That said, stranger things have happened and I am open to all possibilities.

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01-07-2013, 02:34 PM
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01-07-2013, 05:20 PM
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Alex Goligoski = 4,6m
Erik Johnson = 3,75m
Cam Fowler = 4m
Jack Johnson = 4,3m
Marc Staal = 3,9m
Niklas Kronwall = 4,75m
Victor Hedman = 4m
John Carlson = 3,9m
M. Vlasic = 4,2m
Braydon Coburn = 4,5m
Kevin Bieksa = 4,6m
Dan Hamhuis = 4,5m

I don't think Subban has proven enough to get over 5m/y, that's why Bergevin want to give him a small contract ( in term of year ) because the kid have to show something more.

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01-07-2013, 05:23 PM
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$8-9M for 2 years. Anything over 4.5 is too much and he's not worth that money. Cam Fowler, Marc Staal and John Carlson are all playing under $4M.

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01-07-2013, 05:35 PM
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I dont think we can really speculate that much. His contract will be a benchmark though, for players of his ilk for the foreseeable future.

With the new CBA, we just dont know what the marketplace will be.

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01-07-2013, 05:48 PM
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Alex Goligoski = 4,6m
Erik Johnson = 3,75m
Cam Fowler = 4m
Jack Johnson = 4,3m
Marc Staal = 3,9m
Niklas Kronwall = 4,75m
Victor Hedman = 4m
John Carlson = 3,9m
M. Vlasic = 4,2m
Braydon Coburn = 4,5m
Kevin Bieksa = 4,6m
Dan Hamhuis = 4,5m

I don't think Subban has proven enough to get over 5m/y, that's why Bergevin want to give him a small contract ( in term of year ) because the kid have to show something more.
This. But that said... if Subban is sooooooo intent on a long-term deal, I also have a fair bit of confidence that he *will* one day prove himself worth the $5M+. So if he really would take $40M/8yrs, say, I would go ahead and take that gamble if I was Bergevin. It's overpaying him for a year or two, but the long term benefit of having him for half a decade as a cap "bargain" would be great. Of course, maybe he wouldn't make it there. But it's not that much risked vs. the potential payoff, if he's already clearly a $4M per player. I would think Subban is nuts if that's what he wants, though. He can get so much more eventually if things go according to expectations for him.

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01-07-2013, 06:28 PM
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Alex Goligoski = 4,6m
Erik Johnson = 3,75m
Cam Fowler = 4m
Jack Johnson = 4,3m
Marc Staal = 3,9m
Niklas Kronwall = 4,75m
Victor Hedman = 4m
John Carlson = 3,9m
M. Vlasic = 4,2m
Braydon Coburn = 4,5m
Kevin Bieksa = 4,6m
Dan Hamhuis = 4,5m

I don't think Subban has proven enough to get over 5m/y, that's why Bergevin want to give him a small contract ( in term of year ) because the kid have to show something more.
IMO - you just can't look at $/year as a comparison. Some of those guys were UFA eligible and signed LT deals with their organization (Kronwall, Coburn, Bieksa, Hamhuis, etc), and other guys are relatively unproven and just signed a LT deal right off their entry deal. Additionally, some of those guys were signed when the cap was 12% greater than it will be going forward (assuming HRR stays flat).

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01-07-2013, 06:44 PM
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IMO - you just can't look at $/year as a comparison. Some of those guys were UFA eligible and signed LT deals with their organization (Kronwall, Coburn, Bieksa, Hamhuis, etc), and other guys are relatively unproven and just signed a LT deal right off their entry deal. Additionally, some of those guys were signed when the cap was 12% greater than it will be going forward (assuming HRR stays flat).
I think ive threw enough dman to show my point and like u said that 12% isn't in favor of pk so I would be suprise if he get 5m +, im not saying thats impossible but i would be suprise

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01-07-2013, 06:48 PM
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paul stastny straight up

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paul stastny straight up
subban, gomez, kaberle and bourque vs stastny and a 2nd

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01-07-2013, 07:51 PM
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hell i'd do it. the avs can afford gomez' contract until it runs out and we get a decent winger and great up and coming defenseman with the deal. not sure what i think about kaberle tho..

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i could see a line with statsny and galchenyuk 2 skilled americans player who both can speak in russian

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i could see a line with statsny and galchenyuk 2 skilled americans player who both can speak in russian
Stastny can speak russian? that is AWESOME! but they are both centers so wouldnt you want to spread them out for maximum efficiency?

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I'd rather buy out Kaberle and Gomez, and park Bourque on the 3rd line with Eller and Moen.

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I think PK will get a 2 year deal at $3.75M per.

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5 years 5.5 per year.

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Flyers offer him 5 years 32 mil.

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I'd say 3-4 years @ $4.5m per season
2 years, or 7-8 years.

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He'll get 5-7 years at 4 to 5 M. He's worth more, but Bergevin's already stated he'll weight it against the expected drop in cap ceiling for next season (expected to be a little over 64M, down from this season's 70M)

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01-07-2013, 10:56 PM
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Unfortunately, I think that the pressure is all on Bergevin in this situation. He pretty much has to give PK what he wants. If Subban decides to not accept any of the Canadiens offers, he'll simply hold out, which will not bode well with the fans given what we've just got through with the lockout. PK, being the fan favorite that he is, holding out for more dollars will make the average fan's perception of the Habs a bad one. The organization will appears to be greedy and dollar driven, much like Mr. Jacobs and the Bruins and it could quickly turn into a PR mess.

If PK is as smart as I think he is, he's going to get a deal that favors him.

I'm thinking long term. Probably 5-6 years at at least 28-30 mill.

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Unfortunately, I think that the pressure is all on Bergevin in this situation. He pretty much has to give PK what he wants. If Subban decides to not accept any of the Canadiens offers, he'll simply hold out, which will not bode well with the fans given what we've just got through with the lockout. PK, being the fan favorite that he is, holding out for more dollars will make the average fan's perception of the Habs a bad one. The organization will appears to be greedy and dollar driven, much like Mr. Jacobs and the Bruins and it could quickly turn into a PR mess.

If PK is as smart as I think he is, he's going to get a deal that favors him.

I'm thinking long term. Probably 5-6 years at at least 28-30 mill.
Not really. If Bergevin isn't that into Subban he'll most likely trade him instead of kowtowing to him, the Habs will get a decent return for him and both sides will move on. A lot of Subban fans will be be very upset but life will go on.

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