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01-08-2013, 12:04 AM
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i believe stevens system was referred to as "what the hell is going on? where am i?"
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Well, I will say that last season he should have adjusted to having a much weaker defensive group of forwards and not played as much of the up tempo game that he likes.

Honestly I can't see this season being much better "defensively".
Yeah, that should have happened. He kinda did it in March when the defense was extra-injured, but it either wasn't enough or the AHL replacements were just really bad because Bryz got shelled. Probably both.

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Something closer to what Hitchcock uses.
Talk about shelf life coaches. I was so happy that lard butt was fired and his "system" while netting him a cup like Lavy wears on players. I wouldn't use him as an example of something better..at least not in a sustainable sense.

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But they did make it in, because they did score enough.

And they did have Quick and made the playoffs.

If it wasn't for Leighton standing on his head, we don't make the playoffs either, but we did because Leighton played a huge part in the last 30 or so games. He played very well in the playoffs. I don't judge him on one bad goal, or even a few games. His body of work that season was stellar.
Leighton didn't stand on his head. Our defense did because they knew any shot could go into the net at any time. He was very sheltered.

When he got hurt Boucher came in and continued the push...the team was playing such good defense it didn't matter who was in net. Let's not forget it was Boosh who actually got us into the playoffs and was in net when we beat NJ. Our goalies weren't the reason for the success.

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Well, I will say that last season he should have adjusted to having a much weaker defensive group of forwards and not played as much of the up tempo game that he likes.

Honestly I can't see this season being much better "defensively".
Great point. The up tempo style just made guys like Briere, Simmonds, and G look horrible trying to back check from way out of position because of the need to try and score 350 goals.

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But they did make it in, because they did score enough.

And they did have Quick and made the playoffs.

If it wasn't for Leighton standing on his head, we don't make the playoffs either, but we did because Leighton played a huge part in the last 30 or so games. He played very well in the playoffs. I don't judge him on one bad goal, or even a few games. His body of work that season was stellar.
Im not putting the kings down at all, but there is more than one way to win. Whether Lavy does that we don't know yet.

As far as Leighton he was, is, and always will be an absolutely terrible goaltender. The defense was playing better during that short time than they have since the previous lockout. Leighton gave up huge rebound after huge rebound that would have been buried if the whole team wasn't clearing pucks like crazy. Dude is garbage and shouldn't ever be on and NHL roster, even as a backup.

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I fit well into Stevens' system when I drink

He should sign me
you would have, but unfortunately for your NHL career, he recently changed his approach to the infamous "oh, am i the coach?" system...

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Yeah, that should have happened. He kinda did it in March when the defense was extra-injured, but it either wasn't enough or the AHL replacements were just really bad because Bryz got shelled. Probably both.
Honestly, I don't see it getting better this year.

Briere sucks hard, Giroux isn't very good, but he tries. Maybe Schenn1 is better this year, is he 2nd line C or is it Briere? Is Couts 3rd line C now?

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I don't care what system we use. I just want a Cup already

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Definitely Lavy is going to have to adjust but if you recall at the end of the season when Holmgren kind of suggested as much Lavy was kind of reticent. Forget his exact words but basically he said he will live and die by his system.....I mean I just saw him on CSN and he said one of the things he's looking forward to is the fact that most of the team is back and that they know his system. However, they (the players) are not only going to have to know it but continue to believe in it.......

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Honestly, I don't see it getting better this year.

Briere sucks hard, Giroux isn't very good, but he tries. Maybe Schenn1 is better this year, is he 2nd line C or is it Briere? Is Couts 3rd line C now?
i wouldn't say that Giroux isn't very good defensively. He's not a selke candidate, but he has the ability to step up his game in essentially any situation when he's on his game. Giroux is also a pretty good shorthanded attacker, so that has to count for something. Those of us who have played hockey know how difficult it is to read plays and turn them into scoring chances on the PK...

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Honestly, I don't see it getting better this year.

Briere sucks hard, Giroux isn't very good, but he tries. Maybe Schenn1 is better this year, is he 2nd line C or is it Briere? Is Couts 3rd line C now?
Briere got experience on the wing in Germany and he was successful there, albeit in a lower league. Time to make the move.

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Great point. The up tempo style just made guys like Briere, Simmonds, and G look horrible trying to back check from way out of position because of the need to try and score 350 goals.
Where we got KILLED was in transition. Forward bailing out to start the rush, D turns it over...its utt-ohh time.

We just really got hurt losing a great 2 way D man with Pronger going out. Mez, Carle, Coburn can't remotely play as well as he can with the puck. Mez needs to REALLY not take risky plays that take him out of the play this year.

And Briere straight up just watches the play in the D end. I can't see how someone SOOO good with the stick can be so useless in his own end.

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Definitely Lavy is going to have to adjust but if you recall at the end of the season when Holmgren kind of suggested as much Lavy was kind of reticent. Forget his exact words but basically he said he will live and die by his system.....I mean I just saw him on CSN and he said one of the things he's looking forward to is the fact that most of the team is back and that they know his system. However, they (the players) are not only going to have to know it but continue to believe in it.......
Having a strong, consistent goaltender will be a must.

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i wouldn't say that Giroux isn't very good defensively. He's not a selke candidate, but he has the ability to step up his game in essentially any situation when he's on his game. Giroux is also a pretty good shorthanded attacker, so that has to count for something. Those of us who have played hockey know how difficult it is to read plays and turn them into scoring chances on the PK...
Thats kind of what I meant, he's not a selke guy, but he tries...

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Im not putting the kings down at all, but there is more than one way to win. Whether Lavy does that we don't know yet.

As far as Leighton he was, is, and always will be an absolutely terrible goaltender. The defense was playing better during that short time than they have since the previous lockout. Leighton gave up huge rebound after huge rebound that would have been buried if the whole team wasn't clearing pucks like crazy. Dude is garbage and shouldn't ever be on and NHL roster, even as a backup.
If we have a regular season like the last few under Lavy, with a lot of up and down the ice pond hockey and a respectable seeding for the playoffs, Lavy shouldn't keep his job if it ends like the last two years have. (NJ & BOS series)

If it does, it just further validates the fact that 2010 was an aberration, and Lavy's style can't win low scoring tight checking playoff style hockey.

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This is the thing people don't realize....we have a D that doesn't really fit Lavy's system. They went and got some more stay at home types to help Bryz out and we lost Carle who logged a ton of minutes and carried the puck well regardless of the fact he would have his gaffe turnovers and couldn't break an egg with his shot. People hated him and I wasn't his biggest fan but he fit Lavy's system. Moreover, our D has like ZERO threats from the point besides Mesz and Timonen. I know Couturier has been playing the point with the Phantoms as a possible prelude but it won't be enough. The problem last year when we played really good D teams like the Rangers and NJ was that they collapsed on our offensive players b/c we had nobody back on D to keep them honest. Flyers did NOTHING to address this deficiency...NOTHING. Schenn is not a solution and neither is Gervais despite his Right handed shot.

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Having a strong, consistent goaltender will be a must.
This is true Boucher and Leighton ruined 2010.
Boucher and Bob absolutely destroyed any chance in 2011

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If we have a regular season like the last few under Lavy, with a lot of up and down the ice pond hockey and a respectable seeding for the playoffs, Lavy shouldn't keep his job if it ends like the last two years have. (NJ & BOS series)

If it does, it just further validates the fact that 2010 was an aberration, and Lavy's style can't win low scoring tight checking playoff style hockey.
I agree with this. If we lose it better be with us playing solid hockey. If not and its this crazy stuff that happens every year he should be gone unfortunately

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This is the thing people don't realize....we have a D that doesn't really fit Lavy's system. They went and got some more stay at home types to help Bryz out and we lost Carle who logged a ton of minutes and carried the puck well regardless of the fact he would have his gaffe turnovers and couldn't break an egg with his shot. People hated him and I wasn't his biggest fan but he fit Lavy's system. Moreover, out D has like ZERO threats from the point besides Mesz and Timonen. I know Couturier has been playing the point with the Phantoms as a possible prelude but it won't be enough. The problem last year when we played really good D teams like the Rangers and NJ was that they collapsed on our offensive players b/c we had nobody back on D to keep them honest. Flyers did NOTHING to address this deficiency...NOTHING. Schenn is not a solution and neither is Gervais despite his Right handed shot.
Yup.

Can Coburn and Mez pick it up...thats a big key to the season.

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Yup.

Can Coburn and Mez pick it up...thats a big key to the season.
A big IF! Also at the end of the season they asked Lavy why he couldn't beat the Rangers....he got kind of annoyed. He didn't really have an answer.....he better have one!

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A big IF! Also at the end of the season they asked Lavy why he couldn't beat the Rangers....he got kind of annoyed. He didn't really have an answer.....he better have one!
As I recall we would have beaten them a few times if our goaltending had held steady. Let's hope that happens this year, we owe them a sweep. It's unacceptable to lose that many games in division

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A big IF! Also at the end of the season they asked Lavy why he couldn't beat the Rangers....he got kind of annoyed. He didn't really have an answer.....he better have one!
I'd be annoyed 2. We really just got shelled in 2 of those games.

We were in close games with them for the rest.

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If we have a regular season like the last few under Lavy, with a lot of up and down the ice pond hockey and a respectable seeding for the playoffs, Lavy shouldn't keep his job if it ends like the last two years have. (NJ & BOS series)

If it does, it just further validates the fact that 2010 was an aberration, and Lavy's style can't win low scoring tight checking playoff style hockey.
In 2010 we had Richards, Carter, Powe, Lappy and Betts. Those 5 were excellent defensive forwards. With all 5 gone the defense as a whole took a huge hit. Even Carcillo was good defensively when he played with Lappy and Betts.

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As I recall we would have beaten them a few times if our goaltending had held steady. Let's hope that happens this year, we owe them a sweep. It's unacceptable to lose that many games in division
Especially in a shortened season with massive interdivisional play we will be seeing......honestly I think Bryz and Lavy are going to have to form a pact to save each other's jobs.....

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