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01-07-2013, 10:27 PM
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Why would the Penguins make a deal around Neal and Hemsky?

Can someone PLEASE explain to me the rational behind this? Explain this in a clear, logical, and factual way and I will forget that this is the same fanbase that said Hemsky for Despres + 2 1sts.

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01-07-2013, 10:28 PM
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Surprise, another horrible trade proposal courtesy of lakai.

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01-07-2013, 10:32 PM
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If I could delete this thread I would. I came here expecting laughs and I barely got any. Common guys. In the tradition of:

"Gagner, MPS, Peckam, 2nd for Malkin" you have to come up with something better than this. EDM trade concepts are legendary in Pittsburgh!



This "value" thing is pointless because there is 0 chance it can happen short of Neal becoming a cancer and demanding a trade to Oil town. We're trying to ADD wing depth as someone mentioned. Why would a team looking to add wing depth, trade their 40G winger for some other winger not likely to exceed 40G?

A more awesome concept is:

VALUE OF:

Paul Martin + D Prospect to EDM

Obvious answer: Eberle, Hall and a pick.

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01-07-2013, 10:40 PM
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Neal and Morrow for Eberle. Pens have too many D prospects.

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01-07-2013, 10:46 PM
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Neal and Morrow for Eberle. Pens have too many D prospects.
And too many "Best player in the league"'s. Better toss in their choice of Crosby or Malkin.

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01-07-2013, 10:48 PM
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Well...Neal is like your Eberle. So...Neal for Eberle is about where it starts...but Neal is on a much better contract and has proven chemistry with Malkin...not sure if that would be the case with Eberle. So...toss in MPS and we might get interested. Swap 1sts and maybe we talk.

Neal + 1st

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Eberle + MPS + 1st
You're delusional. Neal isn't worth Eberle. This is coming from an impartial hockey fan of neither team, with bias towards neither team.

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01-07-2013, 10:54 PM
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You're delusional. Neal isn't worth Eberle. This is coming from an impartial hockey fan of neither team, with bias towards neither team.
a) I disagree, but move that aside.

b) the comments you are referring to were not what Neal was worth, but as the thread actually asks, what it would take to get Pittsburgh to even answer the phone. The offer you quoted is about right. Otherwise what would be the point from Pittsburgh's point of view? Neal obviously works with Malkin and the Pens. There is no guarentee Eberle or anyone else will work a tenth as well. The Pens are not changing that without a huge overpay. Would anyone but a moron do otherwise? None of that even takes into consideration the sweetheart long term deal Neal just signed which further skews his value.

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01-07-2013, 10:57 PM
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Pepper that angus. It'll require Hall at least.

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01-07-2013, 10:59 PM
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Eberle only makes 1.1 million this year. He's 3 years younger and absolutely destroyed anything that Neal had done up until last year. People are delusional if they think he wouldnt score more than 40 goals playing with Malkin. He scored 34 last year with a 1:30 less ice time per game. Neal wouldnt crack 30 without Malkin

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This was honestly one of the most face palm worthy thread titles I have seen in this section and that is saying a lot.

Pens on the look out for wingers to pair with their all world centers, obtain a young one on a good contract who steps in and pots a bunch of goals showing fantastic chemistry with Malkin, what planet do you have to be on to think hmmm, I wonder what it would take for the Pens to trade him.?

Everyone chiming in saying Neal isn't worth this that or the next thing, Neal's "worth" or "value" is completely irrelevant, he is going nowhere, it's a complete non starter, there's no point finding a "fair value" for someone like that.

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And too many "Best player in the league"'s. Better toss in their choice of Crosby or Malkin.
I'd actually be fine with Neal + any defenseman not named Latang for Eberle. I don't care what the stats say Eberle is a hell of a lot better than Neal in my opinion.

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01-07-2013, 11:06 PM
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Malkin needs to be signed next year as well. He has a good thing going with Neal. Has great chemistry with the guy, and they mesh perfectly together. I know, let's screw that up and give him somene new that he might or might not mesh with to play wing for him right before you want him to sign a long term deal with you. Brilliant!

Like we have said this deal is like an onion, the more layers you peel back, the more things you find to hate about it. And the stronger the stink.

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01-07-2013, 11:09 PM
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Eberle only makes 1.1 million this year. He's 3 years younger and absolutely destroyed anything that Neal had done up until last year. People are delusional if they think he wouldnt score more than 40 goals playing with Malkin. He scored 34 last year with a 1:30 less ice time per game. Neal wouldnt crack 30 without Malkin
This..... Neal doesn't touch th value Eberle has...

That being said pit wouldn't trade Neal for anything less than eberle, hall or RNH. Pit wouldn't trade Neal for Yak

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Hey, can we get your 40 goal scored for our 5th or 6th best player and a throw in?

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Neal and Morrow for Eberle. Pens have too many D prospects.

THERE ya go... that's what I'm talking about... EDM Gold courtesy HFB.

Why not throw in our 2013 1st while you're at it (it will likely be a late pick).

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01-07-2013, 11:23 PM
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Eberle only makes 1.1 million this year. He's 3 years younger and absolutely destroyed anything that Neal had done up until last year. People are delusional if they think he wouldnt score more than 40 goals playing with Malkin. He scored 34 last year with a 1:30 less ice time per game. Neal wouldnt crack 30 without Malkin
Please, construct an argument for why a contender like the Pens should want to trade to the Oilers their only skilled scoring winger, a 1st Team All-Star last year and signed for the next 6 years, without getting Eberle in return.

See, it doesn't matter what's "fair". Eberle is what it would take, fair or not.

Don't like it? Beautiful, we'll gladly keep Neal. No harm no foul.

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01-07-2013, 11:23 PM
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Eberle only makes 1.1 million this year. He's 3 years younger and absolutely destroyed anything that Neal had done up until last year. People are delusional if they think he wouldnt score more than 40 goals playing with Malkin. He scored 34 last year with a 1:30 less ice time per game. Neal wouldnt crack 30 without Malkin
Didn't know 18 goal seasons were that impressive. Good to know.

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Well...Neal is like your Eberle. So...Neal for Eberle is about where it starts...but Neal is on a much better contract and has proven chemistry with Malkin...not sure if that would be the case with Eberle. So...toss in MPS and we might get interested. Swap 1sts and maybe we talk.

Neal + 1st

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Eberle + MPS + 1st
LOL no.

You wouldnt even get Eberle straight up for Neal let alone us trading down 10-20 spots in the first round AND add MPS no chance.

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01-07-2013, 11:25 PM
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THERE ya go... that's what I'm talking about... EDM Gold courtesy HFB.

Why not throw in our 2013 1st while you're at it (it will likely be a late pick).
If you are going to trade Neal to edm where else are you going to go with this? I think Eberle is the best player there, why not make a perposal they are going to consider?


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THERE ya go... that's what I'm talking about... EDM Gold courtesy HFB.

Why not throw in our 2013 1st while you're at it (it will likely be a late pick).
He's a Pittsburgh fan there big guy, nice try though.

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our top 6 are marshmallows, we need some toughness.

Yakupov +

imagine a Malkin-Yakupov duo.



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The value is way more than Edmonton would want to pay.
This. Pens are a team in need of talented, skillful top 6 wingers and moving Neal makes ZERO sense, unless its for someone the Oilers aren't willing to part with. I think its safe to say he's not going anywhere.

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Eberle only makes 1.1 million this year. He's 3 years younger and absolutely destroyed anything that Neal had done up until last year. People are delusional if they think he wouldnt score more than 40 goals playing with Malkin. He scored 34 last year with a 1:30 less ice time per game. Neal wouldnt crack 30 without Malkin
Exactly, Neal has been playing with Elite 90+ point centers his entire career, the guy is a strict role player and if you take away Malkin/Richards he doesn't even hit 30 (which he couldnt even do with Richards). One of the most overrated players in the league.
It wasnt a coincidence that he only put up 1 goal in 20 games the season Malkin and Crosby were both out.

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Exactly, Neal has been playing with Elite 90+ point centers his entire career, the guy is a strict role player and if you take away Malkin/Richards he doesn't even hit 30 (which he couldnt even do with Richards). One of the most overrated players in the league.
It wasnt a coincidence that he only put up 1 goal in 20 games the season Malkin and Crosby were both out.
But...we have those elite centers, so he's worth it to us. Which means it would be stupid for us to trade him.

What people believe he would do anywhere else doesn't mean **** to us. If somebody else wants him, the return has to be good enough to make us give up a 40 goal, 80 point, First-Team All-Star.

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No point in EDM doing this because they would have to give up a lot and they wouldn't be getting the 40 goal James Neal More like 30 IMO. Neal is perfect fit for the pens cause of Malkin.

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