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01-08-2013, 07:57 AM
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I highly doubt that happens. Although after next season when almost the entire team is UFA, that may be a different story.

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Malkin, Kovy, Ovie- You guys are more than welcome to stay in Russia.

And in that order.
After a lockout that did NOTHING for the league as far as popularity, diluting the league of talent and charismatic players is ALWAYS a good idea.

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I wouldn't think he can, as he has a current NHL contract.
What is the NHL going to do, extradite him from Russia and force him? If the KHL wants to breach their agreement with the NHL, I am not sure that there is much that the NHL can do about it. I am not a lawyer and not sure of what can and cannot happen, but the KHL is a professional league on a different continent. If Russian born players think that they can get paid more, why wouldn't the KHL try to keep them?

If teams loose their Russian stars to a different league, then it is a case of the owners reaping what they sow.

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01-08-2013, 08:06 AM
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Bill Day remains confident that Kovy and KHL will honor deals. "We have no reason to believe the KHL will let them play". More Daly...
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Continued Daly on Kovy and KHL..."It would be inconcsistent with our agreement with them."
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Genadi Boguslavski (twitter) @GenadiB (Retweeted by TSNBobMcKenzie)

And I think the new CBA says that no matter where they play if the salary is over a certain amount it counts against the cap. That will ruin the Devils if he does not come back.


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I'm positive all this talk is about coming back for this year, not about staying in the KHL indefinitely. It would royally screw them over this year but he'd be back next year and while the Devils would be pissed, they wouldn't cut him loose or suspend him for next year or something

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01-08-2013, 08:38 AM
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It would really be ironic if the guy who signed the most egregious contract under the last CBA, a contract that contributed to causing the lockout, ended up staying in Russia after the lockout ends.

That being said, I just don't see it happening. Kovalchuk seems like a pretty hungry competitor and he's not walking away from the NHL after making it to SCF.

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01-08-2013, 08:39 AM
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Never liked Kovalchuk and I wouldn't put it past him that he stays in the KHL. I wouldn't be surprised one bit.

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Yikes. I dislike the Devils as much as the next guy but noone wants that. That could destroy the franchise.
Good, **** em.

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After a lockout that did NOTHING for the league as far as popularity, diluting the league of talent and charismatic players is ALWAYS a good idea.
Whatever helps the Rangers.

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So are the players voting on the CBA today?

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It is business. Nothing else. Isn't that they the owners tried NOT to honor the contracts that they signed? Save your vehemence for both sides, please.

And why should the KHL help the NHL out? They also have a business to run. What is the NHL going to do about it? Nothing. There is nothing that they can do.
Sorry, I have to call this out. The player contracts were subject to a CBA which expired. Management exercised a legal option available to it under the framework of collective bargaining. Once the CBA is ratified the owners will of course all have to honor all the individual contracts under the auspices of the new CBA. Likewise, Kovy (and everyone else) was free to ignore his contract and seek employment elsewhere while the CBA was expired. This was an option available to them under the framework of collective bargaining. Once the CBA is ratified again, he, Vishnovsky and everyone else will be bound by legally binding contracts which are subject to the CBA and thereby also subject to the transfer agreement between the KHL and the NHL.

The two situations are NOT the same.

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01-08-2013, 09:29 AM
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So are the players voting on the CBA today?
It sounds like they will be voting electronically on Thursday and Friday and the Owners are voting tomorrow

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Blues head coach Ken Hitchcock has reached out to NBA people asking them about short, compact season and impact on players, etc. Smart.

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For those asking about release of NHL sked: it's still being worked on. Certainly won't be released before owners' meeting (Wed) and ...

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... Probably not before players also ratify

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#Stlblues looking at back to back against #Redwings to kick off season? One of the games is expected to air on #NBC

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01-08-2013, 10:34 AM
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The two situations are NOT the same.
Call it as you wish, BRF. Just seeing it from my point of view. The owners used an option and decided to get out from under having to pay contracts (albeit subject to the CBA). Any Russian player, playing for a different league, on a different continent can. He and any Russian player can utlize whatever is fair in businesss for themselves. He needs never playin the NHL again. That would make his contract void. The owners choose to make a grab for money. The Russian players can do the same. In the end, IF (HUGE IF) this happens, the owners reap what they sow.

The transfer agreements are only as good as both sides want to make them. Again, what is the NHL going to do? Come and extradite the players? Yell really loudly at the KHL?

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That's surprising? Since when?

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What is the NHL going to do, extradite him from Russia and force him? If the KHL wants to breach their agreement with the NHL, I am not sure that there is much that the NHL can do about it. I am not a lawyer and not sure of what can and cannot happen, but the KHL is a professional league on a different continent. If Russian born players think that they can get paid more, why wouldn't the KHL try to keep them?

If teams loose their Russian stars to a different league, then it is a case of the owners reaping what they sow.
If the KHL wasn't willing to enforce the agreement (which it appears they are), the only other avenue would be to go through the IIHF, and I'm pretty sure all they can do is ban him from international play.

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Surprised how few #NHL Owners apologized to their fans[/B]
Becuase they do not care. To them, the fans are sheep who will flock and fill their coffers.

And idiots like Melrose, only further their cause. When he was on air, it was "we have the hungriest, greatest fans in the world. Off course they will come back. They always have before. And the game will be better than ever."

I think that this time, the owners feel a sting.

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If the KHL wasn't willing to enforce the agreement (which it appears they are), the only other avenue would be to go through the IIHF, and I'm pretty sure all they can do is ban him from international play.
My point is that the KHL is not going to enforce. I am just saying that the NHL would be SOL on this.

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My point is that the KHL is not going to enforce. I am just saying that the NHL would be SOL on this.
They would be, yes. Though I'm sure it would be tough for Kovalchuk to sit and watch the Sochi Olympics. Anyways, the KHL has indicated they will honor the agreement (link).

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Becuase they do not care. To them, the fans are sheep who will flock and fill their coffers.

And idiots like Melrose, only further their cause. When he was on air, it was "we have the hungriest, greatest fans in the world. Off course they will come back. They always have before. And the game will be better than ever."

I think that this time, the owners feel a sting.
Whatever. Who cares?

I dont want anyone apologizing. I dont want any empty message painted on the ice.

I want everyone to shut up and play some hockey.

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“It’s pretty clear how Gary’s operated here,’’ said the agent, referring to Gary Bettman, league commissioner for all three lockouts in the game’s history. “If you look at the document, you can tell he’s ignored the input of hockey people, especially his own GMs, who are the guys who have to work with it every day. Nothing changed in no-trades, in arb, in age threshold for free agency . . . guaranteed contracts.

“He’s an extremely bright guy, no one questions that. But I think he thinks his own GMs are dumb. He refuses to listen to most of them, and so you end up with a deal that wins on 50/50 and contract length — very important stuff —but then all this other vital stuff gets left alone.’’
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“I get the 50/50 — that’s where the other leagues went, so you had to figure that’s what would happen here. And, yeah, that’s a huge change. But some of what didn’t get touched here, like, say, the age level for free agency, kinda shocks me. It stayed the same. So the players can’t call that a win, per se, but there’s value in the fact that a lot of it didn’t change.’’
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“Not everyone is happy,’’ said a league source. “There will be guys in there not happy about the revenue sharing, others who think the cap is too high to start, that it takes too long to get to 50/50. Some are angry over the fact that there are compliance buyouts. I think there will be many angry objections, but I also think it will pass. It’s done . . . we’re moving on.’’
http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/...z8H/story.html

We discussed this last week in the lockout thread. The NHL didn't really accomplish what some teams wanted. Changing the 2nd contract. The same inflationary systems remain. The cap didn't go down. It was $64.3M in 11-12. It can't drop below $64.3M. The big market teams will generate a ton of revenue pushing the cap up and up. The small market will have a tough time keeping up.

The Boston Globe article also says this is Bettman's last CBA. He is 60. Gary won't be around in 8 or 10 years. Bill Daly looks like the heir apparent.

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If you're looking to get pumped up go to NHL.com and watch highlights of last year's playoff games.

Dunno about you guys but I'm ready to go.

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Revenue sharing was increased but more teams will be receiving it. Those teams will be receiving less in the new CBA than they did in the 2005 CBA.

Fehr did a very good job.

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If you're looking to get pumped up go to NHL.com and watch highlights of last year's playoff games.

Dunno about you guys but I'm ready to go.
So, so ready.

And this board is hilarious--in two days, I've seen about 20 posters that I haven't seen for months.

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So, so ready.

And this board is hilarious--in two days, I've seen about 20 posters that I haven't seen for months.
That was one positive about the lockout

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