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Markstrom to PHI after a Luongo to Florida trade

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01-08-2013, 11:49 AM
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Most Flyers fans would probably describe the next 48 games as a serious measure of Bryz's longterm stay. I don't think a single fan defended the contract the Flyers gave him even before he had the rollercoaster year he had. With an amnesty option, it's simply sound asset mangement to consider whether Bryzgalov is worth keeping in spite of his horrible deal, which includes a full NMC.

As for the discussion of Luongo and Schnieder.... Luongo has an asset cost I assume? Then you add in a contract, having to use an amnesty on Bryz, and you leave yourself asking "Are we that much better off with Luongo, a longterm cash backout to Bryz and without the assets used to acquire Luongo"?

Schnieder presumably as an even higher asset cost than a guy like Markstrom while also being signed to a more expensive contract (and yes, with more experience and demonstrated success).
Agreed, I don't know too many Flyers fans who were happy with Holmgren basically outbidding himself when he signed Bryzgalov. But I think Holmgren had no choice because the decision to sign Bryzgalov was coming from Ed Snider. Now with the amnesty option plus Snider's history of making changes without worry about the cost leads me to believe that Bryzgalov has basically this shortened season to prove himself otherwise he'll be gone. Hopefully Holmgren won't be stupid enough to buyout Bryzgalov out before he has his new goalie signed but nothing would surprise me.

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I would take Markstrom over Jose. Having a backup plan of Clemmenson-Markstrom or Luongo-Markstrom seems pretty good if someone goes down. They are in no rush to trade him.
Absolutely, but I'm not talking about giving away Markstrom either. If you acquire Luongo in what can only be classified as a win now trade, then in turn, does it make sense for Tallon to consider an immediate return on Markstrom that helps them with that "win now" approach.

I'm on record saying that you shouldn't be trading for Luongo. If you do, however, I'm not sure you have Markstrom languishing at the AHL level or as a backup for 3-4 years until Luongo fades and becomes a back-up type player.

Overall, you are correct in stating that they do not have to trade Markstrom and certainly not immediately. It's a question of whether you can acquire something that makes sense.

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I'm not a Panthers fan.

We shouldn't assume that Markstrom can't steal one of those jobs. Keeping him doesn't mean that he'll have to "languish" in the AHL.

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I'm not a Panthers fan.

We shouldn't assume that Markstrom can't steal one of those jobs. Keeping him doesn't mean that he'll have to "languish" in the AHL.
From having watched Markstrom a fair bit (I'm a big fan), any situation that doesn't having him playing and playing on a reasonably consistent basis (30 or so games) at the NHL level by the end of next season/start of 2014 is wasting his talent. That's what I define as languishing... an NHL caliber player relegated to back-up duties or AHL time that isn't benefiting them because they are blocked by a highly paid player ahead of them.

If I were a Panthers fan and had a player like Markstrom right now, I would let Theodore/Clemmenson finish the remainder of this season, then approach 2013-2014 as Markstrom's job to lose with some veteran competition in the form of whichever of those two veterans plays better this season. I would be staunchly opposed to acquisition of Luongo at any asset cost.

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From having watched Markstrom a fair bit (I'm a big fan), any situation that doesn't having him playing and playing on a reasonably consistent basis (30 or so games) at the NHL level by the end of next season/start of 2014 is wasting his talent. That's what I define as languishing... an NHL caliber player relegated to back-up duties or AHL time that isn't benefiting them because they are blocked by a highly paid player ahead of them.

If I were a Panthers fan and had a player like Markstrom right now, I would let Theodore/Clemmenson finish the remainder of this season, then approach 2013-2014 as Markstrom's job to lose with some veteran competition in the form of whichever of those two veterans plays better this season. I would be staunchly opposed to acquisition of Luongo at any asset cost.
I would give him 1yr as a backup to get used to the NHL, but I agree he's that close to be a #1 goalie.

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From having watched Markstrom a fair bit (I'm a big fan), any situation that doesn't having him playing and playing on a reasonably consistent basis (30 or so games) at the NHL level by the end of next season/start of 2014 is wasting his talent. That's what I define as languishing... an NHL caliber player relegated to back-up duties or AHL time that isn't benefiting them because they are blocked by a highly paid player ahead of them.

If I were a Panthers fan and had a player like Markstrom right now, I would let Theodore/Clemmenson finish the remainder of this season, then approach 2013-2014 as Markstrom's job to lose with some veteran competition in the form of whichever of those two veterans plays better this season. I would be staunchly opposed to acquisition of Luongo at any asset cost.
There is nothing wrong with having Markstrom play out the rest of this year with San Antonio. Theodore is a free agent after this season, and we will have a tandem of Markstrom and Clemmensen going into next season. Markstrom will be a 23 year old next season with three years of experience on NA ice, so I dont think Tallon could have brought him up any better.

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I would give him 1yr as a backup to get used to the NHL, but I agree he's that close to be a #1 goalie.
He's had some experience in the NHL already, and given his experience already, I think he can handle 60-70% of the games next season. Id like to see him brought up with guys like Huberdeau, Bjugstad, Howden, etc., guys who are probably going to be core players for the Panthers.

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