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Luongo: Light at the end of the tunnel?

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01-08-2013, 12:12 PM
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The "Luongo Rule"? Seriously how cute is that? #adorbs #garybest

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01-08-2013, 12:22 PM
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I've read both articles and have discussed this with others.


The friedman article explains it well: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...to-luongo.html


Titled: "The new CBA doesn't hurt Luongo"




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New CBA doesn't hurt Luongo BUT it does hurt the Canucks and ANY team that trades for him. There is a cap hit even when he retires. This was NOT the case before the new CBA.

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01-08-2013, 12:22 PM
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Just thought i would point on a couple things getting lost in the debate.

Luongo will not regain Vancouver's starting position. He lost that in the playoffs and will never get it back.

The Canucks prefer Schneider, because they think he is better and he is younger.

That said Luongo has positive value. He has been an excellent goalie for Vancouver and is better than goalies in about 20 markets around the league. His play has not dropped noticably though the level of goaltending has risen in general.

Toronto would be a better team with Luongo in net period. If they want to have a better team then trading for him for secondary pieces would seem to be a no brainer.

Luongo would be the best player on Toronto, period.

Luongo contract is not that bad. The talk on here makes it sound like people are paying him out of their own pocket.

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01-08-2013, 12:25 PM
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New CBA doesn't hurt Luongo BUT it does hurt the Canucks and ANY team that trades for him. There is a cap hit even when he retires. This was NOT the case before the new CBA.
Because 2 million in 10 years from now(which could very well be an 80 million cap) is so detrimental to a team.

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01-08-2013, 12:27 PM
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I would rather not deal with Toronto anymore. The Leafs don't have any players that they are willing to give up that would address our needs, and if Burke wants to screw around and lowball us then let's just move on.

To Florida:
Roberto Luongo
Mason Raymond
Tyler Bozak
3rd round pick (VAN)

To Vancouver:
Stephen Weiss
Alexander Petrovic
2nd round pick (FLA)

To Toronto:
Jose Theodore

Done and done.

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Because 2 million in 10 years from now(which could very well be an 80 million cap) is so detrimental to a team.
If we are going to make random assumptions that the cap is going to inflate radically, you must also be open to the possibility that (somehow) that cap drops to say $40 or $50 million and that eating $2M on a retired player looks really bad?

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01-08-2013, 12:29 PM
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If we are going to make random assumptions that the cap is going to inflate radically, you must also be open to the possibility that (somehow) that cap drops to say $40 or $50 million and that eating $2M on a retired player looks really bad?
The cap cannot go below $64.3M, so the scenario you are worried about is impossible.

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You want us to trade what, for a goalie who isn't even top 10 in the league.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/fantasy/hock...alie_rankings/

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01-08-2013, 12:31 PM
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I would rather not deal with Toronto anymore. The Leafs don't have any players that they are willing to give up that would address our needs, and if Burke wants to screw around and lowball us then let's just move on.

To Florida:
Roberto Luongo
Mason Raymond
Tyler Bozak
3rd round pick (VAN)

To Vancouver:
Stephen Weiss
Alexander Petrovic
2nd round pick (FLA)

To Toronto:
Jose Theodore

Done and done.
LOL. Pure gold

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01-08-2013, 12:31 PM
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Because 2 million in 10 years from now(which could very well be an 80 million cap) is so detrimental to a team.
Who needs cap space.

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01-08-2013, 12:33 PM
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You want us to trade what, for a goalie who isn't even top 10 in the league.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/fantasy/hock...alie_rankings/
The Leafs don't even have a top 30 goalie based on that list.

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I would rather not deal with Toronto anymore. The Leafs don't have any players that they are willing to give up that would address our needs, and if Burke wants to screw around and lowball us then let's just move on.

To Florida:
Roberto Luongo
Mason Raymond
Tyler Bozak
3rd round pick (VAN)

To Vancouver:
Stephen Weiss
Alexander Petrovic
2nd round pick (FLA)

To Toronto:
Jose Theodore

Done and done.
Ummm...not done from TO.

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I would rather not deal with Toronto anymore. The Leafs don't have any players that they are willing to give up that would address our needs, and if Burke wants to screw around and lowball us then let's just move on.

To Florida:
Roberto Luongo
Mason Raymond
Tyler Bozak
3rd round pick (VAN)

To Vancouver:
Stephen Weiss
Alexander Petrovic
2nd round pick (FLA)

To Toronto:
Jose Theodore

Done and done.
So the Panthers give up its #1 C, its top defensive prospect, its starting goalie, and a 2nd round pick in return for a #2/3 C, an injury prone winger whose stock has plummeted over the past 2 years, and a 3rd round pick to go along with an upgrade at a position it really didn't need to upgrade????


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When was the last time you heard Burke talk about it? And even if that were true, why would Burke want to drive up interest?

He wouldn't, yet he came out and said he needs a goalie upgrade. Maybe that was a Burke faux pas?



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Not really. Gillis has to weigh in on whether its worth having Luongo another season, then trading him and if he retires early, how big of a penalty he will be taking back. I would lol if Luongo retires with 1 year left...that's a pretty big savings/penalty to take in that 1 year...math is ~$17M [Actual salary for 3 years - (3 x caphit)]


He's got to weigh it all. I just think that when he does, he's gonna look at the corresponding offers, not like them enough, and carry Luongo into the season.

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01-08-2013, 12:33 PM
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Because 2 million in 10 years from now(which could very well be an 80 million cap) is so detrimental to a team.
Is there something saying the cap will be that high? 2 million dollar cap is nothing you say? That can be used to improve the team, help sign a UFA, ELC etc. According to you, it is best served as dead cap space on a player with a contract that some other GM signed to maipulate the system, than to improve your team? I see youre selling it hard, but its not working.

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The cap cannot go below $64.3M, so the scenario you are worried about is impossible.
The cap can go below $64.3M from what I understand, just not in the first two years of the deal. The cap for the first couple years is there to help slowly let down the salary structure but after the first two it is worked out under the 50/50 formulas of revenue and can be anything.

At least that is how I interpreted what I read about the new CBA

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The Leafs don't even have a top 30 goalie based on that list.
Hey, you aren't supposed to look at that.

I think Reimer is rated that low, because everyone assumes he won't be the starter...

I should add... because if he was the known starter he should easily be 28th or 29th. :-(

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How about the Capitals as a dark horse team?

I know Holtby had a good run, but WSH is a team looking for a cup now, would they be a fit?

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So the Panthers give up its #1 C, its top defensive prospect, its starting goalie, and a 2nd round pick in return for a #2/3 C, an injury prone winger whose stock has plummeted over the past 2 years, and a 3rd round pick to go along with an upgrade at a position it really didn't need to upgrade????

Well that's assuming that the rumours of Weiss not re-signing in Florida are true. I agree if the Panthers could get Weiss re-signed then it doesn't make sense given your team needs to do such a deal. Otherwise essentially all you're giving up is a defensive prospect, 2nd round pick, and a 20-25 ranked starting goalie, and getting back a top 5 starting goalie, a decent middle 6 winger with speed, and according to Leafs fans a very good young 2-way center.

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Because 2 million in 10 years from now(which could very well be an 80 million cap) is so detrimental to a team.
When you keep saying 10 years it really discounts what you are trying to get across. If it is in 10 years, the team will not get a penalty. The penalty will come in 6 or 7 years (most likely).


If Lou plays his entire contract, does Vancouver still take a cap recapture penalty? I would guess they would and it would be the same if he retires with 1 year remaining.

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01-08-2013, 12:37 PM
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New CBA doesn't hurt Luongo BUT it does hurt the Canucks and ANY team that trades for him. There is a cap hit even when he retires. This was NOT the case before the new CBA.


How could a CBA hurt Luongo himself? Friedman is obviously talking about VAN and teams in a respective deal (mentions TOR).


The cap hit before he retires is pathetic if shared between two teams, if he is traded, which he will be. That slightly alters his value, it doesn't topple it. What would you equate roughly 6m in salary over 3 years being worth? (Given similar conditions today of course, and a modicum of reasonable logic).

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So the Panthers give up its #1 C, its top defensive prospect, its starting goalie, and a 2nd round pick in return for a #2/3 C, an injury prone winger whose stock has plummeted over the past 2 years, and a 3rd round pick to go along with an upgrade at a position it really didn't need to upgrade????

You missed the joke.

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Hey, you aren't supposed to look at that.

I think Reimer is rated that low, because everyone assumes he won't be the starter...
It's a fantasy sports ranking list. Absolutely absurd that Brian Elliott would be ranked ahead of other goalies like Carey Price, Miikka Kiprusoff, etc. but because of how defensive his team is there is an opportunity for him to post some a nice GAA/SVP for a fantasy team. I don't think any GM in their right mind would ever reject an Elliott for Price trade (if they were set to receive Price).

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Can someone explain why everyone in the hockey world knows van is not going to get much for luongo except people here think he has Crosby value

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Well that's assuming that the rumours of Weiss not re-signing in Florida are true. I agree if the Panthers could get Weiss re-signed then it doesn't make sense given your team needs to do such a deal. Otherwise essentially all you're giving up is a defensive prospect, 2nd round pick, and a 20-25 ranked starting goalie, and getting back a top 5 starting goalie, a decent middle 6 winger with speed, and according to Leafs fans a very good young 2-way center.
Panthers need Weiss for one year 10x more than they need luongo for the next 2-3 years until markstrom is ready

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