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01-08-2013, 05:21 AM
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with that info, Hossa will and should be bought out.

if we can buy out 1 player this offseason and 1 next, you buy out Olesz this and Hossa next when he will turn 35 years old and you got 1 extra year playing for you.

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01-08-2013, 07:26 AM
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Well now. Having a buyout in 2014-15 makes things different for Hossa(if Kevin Allrn is right). We probably buy out Olesz after this year and maybe consider buying out Hossa in 2014-15.

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With the salary cap at $70.2M (pro-rated) for this season, and the Hawks currently around $6M under that cap - there is no reason to burn one or both amnesty buyouts this summer. Both should be saved to be used before the 2014/15 season when the cap drops down to $64.3M, based on the variables that will be present after the 2013/14 season. It makes no sense to use a get out of jail "free" card when you're not in jail.

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01-08-2013, 08:44 AM
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With the salary cap at $70.2M (pro-rated) for this season, and the Hawks currently around $6M under that cap - there is no reason to burn one or both amnesty buyouts this summer. Both should be saved to be used before the 2014/15 season when the cap drops down to $64.3M, based on the variables that will be present after the 2013/14 season. It makes no sense to use a get out of jail "free" card when you're not in jail.
Yes, the buyouts have tremendous value. I agree that it's wise to hang on to those buyouts as long as possible, unless a tremendous opportunity or a real crisis presents itself. Sather, Holmgren, Gillis, etc. will have to be over aggressive, it might be best to sit on the sidelines until some of the gms make big mistakes. It's bound to happen when some of these guys have extra cap flexibility.

Something else to keep in mind. Jagr and Whitney are making 4.5 million, Doan is making 5.3. I think it's foolish to assume the cap hit will automatically help land high end help. Besides didn't we already see how that played out with Campbell?

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Next offseason, buy out Olesz, sign Luongo.

2014 offseason, buy out Hossa, sign Stastny

Stalberg - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Stastny - TT
Carcillo - Bolland - Danault
Shaw - McNeill - Hayes

Keith - Seabrook
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lol to signing Luongo

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This article references Luongo's contract. I'm sure someone here could do the calculations with Hossa's if they want to spend the time on it.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...to-luongo.html
If we assume Hossa retires with 4 years left on his contract (last 4yrs are @ 1mil/yr)... the actual amount of money we paid him was 59.3mil, the actual amount of cap space we used was 42.2mil.

Therefore,

59.3mil - 42.2mil = 17.1mil
17.1mil/4yrs = 4.275mil

4.275mil will be charged against the cap for the last 4 years of his deal.

If he retired:

7yrs early = $1.875mil
6yrs early = $2.625mil
5yrs early = $3.675mil
4yrs early = $4.275mil (same for 3, 2, and 1 year early)

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Like the article says, you just put him on LTIR.

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With the salary cap at $70.2M (pro-rated) for this season, and the Hawks currently around $6M under that cap - there is no reason to burn one or both amnesty buyouts this summer. Both should be saved to be used before the 2014/15 season when the cap drops down to $64.3M, based on the variables that will be present after the 2013/14 season. It makes no sense to use a get out of jail "free" card when you're not in jail.
The Hawks are $4 mil under the cap. Olesz counts $2.25 mil towards the cap this year.

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The Hawks are $4 mil under the cap. Olesz counts $2.25 mil towards the cap this year.
If the numbers you're looking at that puts the Hawks at $4M under the cap is Capgeek - that's for a 25 man roster with Bollig, Hayes and 8 d-men.

My point is to use them when necessary and if the two amnesty buyouts do not absolutely have to be used this coming summer, they should be saved for the summer of 2014 when they may be put to better use.

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We should still trade Frolik. This team needs cap room because it needs help pronto.

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We should still trade Frolik. This team needs cap room because it needs help pronto.
Who are you going to sign in the next 10 days for more than $6 mil?

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Who are you going to sign in the next 10 days for more than $6 mil?
I'm not talking about that. I'm saying the more space we can create now, the more it will compound when we get closer to the trade deadline. A center and a goalie are going to be expensive. I wouldn't stop there either. It's time this team finally goes shopping in a big way. I just want to make sure we have enough to get things done. Plus, this team has too many forwards. Frolik for Greiss like we were talking about on the main boards makes a lot of sense, gives us a short term upgrade and cap space, then we see where things are at with the goalies at the trade deadline.

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I'm not talking about that. I'm saying the more space we can create now, the more it will compound when we get closer to the trade deadline. A center and a goalie are going to be expensive. I wouldn't stop there either. It's time this team finally goes shopping in a big way. I just want to make sure we have enough to get things done. Plus, this team has too many forwards. Frolik for Greiss like we were talking about on the main boards makes a lot of sense, gives us a short term upgrade and cap space, then we see where things are at with the goalies at the trade deadline.
How many big money guys move at the deadline though? Its not something that happens regularly. $6 mil is plenty to add what you want at the deadline. The Pens aren't trading you Malkin at the deadline.

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Trading Frolik helps in sense that not only does it free up cap space, it also frees up roster space for a better player (or at least a spot for someone to develop in) if they do indeed trade him for a pick or minor league player.

The ship sailed a long time ago on Michael.

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How many big money guys move at the deadline though? Its not something that happens regularly. $6 mil is plenty to add what you want at the deadline. The Pens aren't trading you Malkin at the deadline.
We'll have to see how the standings shake out.

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Jarome Iginla Calgary Flames $7,000,000 $7,000,000
Alexander Semin Carolina Hurricanes $7,000,000 $7,000,000
Ryan Getzlaf Anaheim Ducks $5,325,000 $6,125,000
Niklas Backstrom Minnesota Wild $6,000,000 $6,000,000
Sergei Gonchar Ottawa Senators $5,500,000 $5,500,000
Nathan Horton Boston Bruins $4,000,000 $5,500,000
Derek Roy Dallas Stars $4,000,000 $5,500,000
Ryan Whitney Edmonton Oilers $4,000,000 $5,500,000
Patrik Elias New Jersey Devils $6,000,000 $5,000,000
Mike Ribeiro Washington Capitals $5,000,000 $5,000,000
Corey Perry Anaheim Ducks $5,325,000 $4,875,000
Travis Zajac New Jersey Devils $3,888,000 $4,800,000
Nik Antropov Winnipeg Jets $4,062,000 $4,750,000
Jaromir Jagr Dallas Stars $4,550,000 $4,500,000
Teemu Selanne Anaheim Ducks $4,500,000 $4,500,000
Pierre-Marc Bouchard Minnesota Wild $4,080,000 $4,300,000
Joffrey Lupul Toronto Maple Leafs $4,250,000 $4,250,000
Andy McDonald St. Louis Blues $4,700,000 $4,200,000
Brenden Morrow Dallas Stars $4,100,000 $4,100,000
Mark Streit NY Islanders $4,100,000 $4,100,000
Stephen Weiss Florida Panthers $3,100,000 $4,100,000
Tim Connolly Toronto Maple Leafs $4,750,000 $4,000,000
Robyn Regehr Buffalo Sabres $4,020,000 $4,000,000
Marek Zidlicky New Jersey Devils $4,000,000 $4,000,000
Ryane Clowe San Jose Sharks $3,625,000 $4,000,000
Nikolai Khabibulin Edmonton Oilers $3,750,000 $3,750,000
Michael Ryder Dallas Stars $3,500,000 $3,500,000
Matt Cullen Minnesota Wild $3,500,000 $3,500,000
Matthew Lombardi Toronto Maple Leafs $3,500,000 $3,500,000
Roman Hamrlik Washington Capitals $3,500,000 $3,500,000
Valtteri Filppula Detroit Red Wings $3,000,000 $3,500,000
Rob Scuderi Los Angeles Kings $3,400,000 $3,400,000
Dainius Zubrus New Jersey Devils $3,400,000 $3,400,000
Dustin Penner Los Angeles Kings $3,250,000 $3,250,000
Clarke MacArthur Toronto Maple Leafs $3,250,000 $3,250,000
Alexander Edler Vancouver Canucks $3,250,000 $3,250,000
Kimmo Timonen Philadelphia Flyers $6,333,000 $3,000,000
Lubomir Visnovsky NY Islanders $5,600,000 $3,000,000
Tim Thomas Boston Bruins $5,000,000 $3,000,000
Ron Hainsey Winnipeg Jets $4,500,000 $3,000,000
Saku Koivu Anaheim Ducks $3,800,000 $3,000,000
Toni Lydman Anaheim Ducks $3,000,000 $3,000,000
Jordan Leopold Buffalo Sabres $3,000,000 $3,000,000
Daniel Cleary Detroit Red Wings $2,800,000 $3,000,000
David Clarkson New Jersey Devils $2,667,000 $3,000,000
Ian White Detroit Red Wings $2,875,000 $2,750,000
Tom Poti Washington Capitals $2,875,000 $2,750,000
Evgeni Nabokov NY Islanders $2,750,000 $2,750,000
Simon Gagne Los Angeles Kings $3,500,000 $2,500,000
Anton Babchuk Calgary Flames $2,500,000 $2,500,000
Vaclav Prospal Columbus Blue Jackets $2,500,000 $2,500,000
Michal Handzus San Jose Sharks $2,500,000 $2,500,000
Douglas Murray San Jose Sharks $2,500,000 $2,500,000
Manny Malhotra Vancouver Canucks $2,500,000 $2,500,000
Mason Raymond Vancouver Canucks $2,275,000 $2,275,000
Andrew Ference Boston Bruins $2,250,000 $2,250,000
Jimmy Howard Detroit Red Wings $2,250,000 $2,250,000
Ladislav Smid Edmonton Oilers $2,250,000 $2,250,000
Adrian Aucoin Columbus Blue Jackets $2,250,000 $2,000,000
Adam Pardy Buffalo Sabres $2,000,000 $2,000,000
Joe Corvo Carolina Hurricanes $2,000,000 $2,000,000
Michal Rozsival Chicago Blackhawks $2,000,000 $2,000,000
Milan Hejduk Colorado Avalanche $2,000,000 $2,000,000
Mike Smith Phoenix Coyotes $2,000,000 $2,000,000
Ryan O’Byrne Colorado Avalanche $1,800,000 $2,000,000
Matt Walker Philadelphia Flyers $1,700,000 $2,000,000
Chris Higgins Vancouver Canucks $1,900,000 $1,900,000
Chad LaRose Carolina Hurricanes $1,700,000 $1,900,000
Steve Sullivan Phoenix Coyotes $2,600,000 $1,850,000
Alexei Ponikarovsky Winnipeg Jets $1,800,000 $1,800,000
Ruslan Fedotenko Philadelphia Flyers $1,750,000 $1,750,000
Raffi Torres Phoenix Coyotes $1,750,000 $1,750,000
Mike Santorelli Florida Panthers $1,600,000 $1,600,000
Kyle Wellwood Winnipeg Jets $1,600,000 $1,600,000
Andy Sutton Edmonton Oilers $1,750,000 $1,500,000
Ryan Jones Edmonton Oilers $1,500,000 $1,500,000
Jose Theodore Florida Panthers $1,500,000 $1,500,000
Francis Bouillon Montreal Canadiens $1,500,000 $1,500,000
Pascal Dupuis Pittsburgh Penguins $1,500,000 $1,500,000
John Erskine Washington Capitals $1,500,000 $1,500,000
Antti Miettinen Winnipeg Jets $1,351,000 $1,500,000
Mark Fistric Dallas Stars $1,475,000 $1,475,000
Tyler Bozak Toronto Maple Leafs $1,500,000 $1,400,000
Marty Reasoner NY Islanders $1,350,000 $1,400,000
Grant Clitsome Winnipeg Jets $1,250,000 $1,400,000
Boyd Gordon Phoenix Coyotes $1,325,000 $1,350,000
Brad Richardson Los Angeles Kings $1,175,000 $1,350,000
Mathieu Garon Tampa Bay Lightning $1,300,000 $1,300,000
Jason LaBarbera Phoenix Coyotes $1,250,000 $1,300,000
Guillaume Latendresse Ottawa Senators $2,000,000 $1,250,000
Matt Cooke Pittsburgh Penguins $1,800,000 $1,250,000
Chris Mason Nashville Predators $1,500,000 $1,250,000
Jamie Langenbrunner St. Louis Blues $1,500,000 $1,250,000
Blake Comeau Calgary Flames $1,250,000 $1,250,000
Chuck Kobasew Colorado Avalanche $1,250,000 $1,250,000
Andrew Alberts Vancouver Canucks $1,225,000 $1,225,000
Peter Budaj Montreal Canadiens $1,150,000 $1,200,000
Ray Emery Chicago Blackhawks $1,150,000 $1,150,000
Mike Lundin Ottawa Senators $1,150,000 $1,150,000
Jody Shelley Philadelphia Flyers $1,100,000 $1,100,000
David Steckel Toronto Maple Leafs $1,100,000 $1,100,000
B.J. Crombeen Tampa Bay Lightning $1,000,000 $1,050,000
Daniel Alfredsson Ottawa Senators $4,875,000 $1,000,000
Viktor Fasth Anaheim Ducks $1,000,000 $1,000,000
Colby Armstrong Montreal Canadiens $1,000,000 $1,000,000
Scott Hannan Nashville Predators $1,000,000 $1,000,000
Brad Boyes NY Islanders $1,000,000 $1,000,000
Marc-Andre Bergeron Tampa Bay Lightning $1,000,000 $1,000,000
Maxim Lapierre Vancouver Canucks $1,000,000 $1,000,000
Brian Boucher Carolina Hurricanes $950,000 $1,000,000
Anthony Stewart Carolina Hurricanes $900,000 $1,000,000
Christopher Nihlstorp Dallas Stars $1,000,000 $1,000,000
Colton Orr Toronto Maple Leafs $1,000,000 $1,000,000
Joey Crabb Washington Capitals $950,000 $950,000
Damien Brunner Detroit Red Wings $1,350,000 $925,000
Michael Leighton Philadelphia Flyers $900,000 $900,000
Henrik Karlsson Calgary Flames $863,000 $875,000
Nate Thompson Tampa Bay Lightning $900,000 $850,000
Viktor Stalberg Chicago Blackhawks $875,000 $850,000
Darcy Hordichuk Edmonton Oilers $850,000 $850,000
Drew Miller Detroit Red Wings $825,000 $850,000
Lennart Petrell Edmonton Oilers $825,000 $825,000
Matt Hendricks Washington Capitals $825,000 $800,000
Jerred Smithson Florida Panthers $800,000 $800,000
Peter Regin Ottawa Senators $800,000 $800,000
Tim Brent Carolina Hurricanes $750,000 $800,000
Anton Khudobin Boston Bruins $875,000 $800,000
Yann Danis Edmonton Oilers $800,000 $800,000
Jarod Palmer Minnesota Wild $771,750 $772,000
Brandon Yip Nashville Predators $750,000 $750,000
Steve Eminger NY Rangers $750,000 $750,000
Curtis McElhinney Columbus Blue Jackets $750,000 $750,000
Jean-Francois Jacques Florida Panthers $750,000 $750,000
Jon Landry NY Islanders $750,000 $750,000
Nathan McIver NY Islanders $750,000 $750,000
Alexander Sulzer Buffalo Sabres $725,000 $725,000
Nick Johnson Phoenix Coyotes $725,000 $725,000
Andreas Lilja Philadelphia Flyers $738,000 $700,000
Tim Wallace Carolina Hurricanes $700,000 $700,000
Jeff Halpern NY Rangers $700,000 $700,000
Jeff Woywitka St. Louis Blues $700,000 $700,000
Derek Meech Winnipeg Jets $700,000 $700,000
Corey Elkins Anaheim Ducks $700,000 $700,000
Nolan Yonkman Florida Panthers $700,000 $700,000
Andre Deveaux Florida Panthers $700,000 $700,000
Colin McDonald NY Islanders $700,000 $700,000
Kyle Chipchura Phoenix Coyotes $675,000 $675,000
Scott Nichol St. Louis Blues $700,000 $650,000
Aaron Johnson Boston Bruins $650,000 $650,000
Chris Porter St. Louis Blues $650,000 $650,000
Adam Hall Tampa Bay Lightning $650,000 $650,000
Jack Hillen Washington Capitals $650,000 $650,000
Erik Condra Ottawa Senators $625,000 $650,000
Matt Smaby Anaheim Ducks $650,000 $650,000
Maxime Fortunus Dallas Stars $650,000 $650,000
Andre Benoit Ottawa Senators $650,000 $650,000
Alexandre Bolduc Phoenix Coyotes $650,000 $650,000
Chris Conner Phoenix Coyotes $650,000 $650,000
Keith Aucoin Toronto Maple Leafs $650,000 $650,000
Craig Adams Pittsburgh Penguins $675,000 $625,000
Thomas Greiss San Jose Sharks $588,000 $625,000
Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers Anaheim Ducks $612,500 $625,000
Drew Bagnall Minnesota Wild $612,500 $625,000
Al Montoya Winnipeg Jets $601,000 $601,000
Jamal Mayers Chicago Blackhawks $650,000 $600,000
Mark Letestu Columbus Blue Jackets $625,000 $600,000
John Scott Buffalo Sabres $600,000 $600,000
Tyson Strachan Florida Panthers $600,000 $600,000
Davis Drewiske Los Angeles Kings $600,000 $600,000
Stephane Veilleux Minnesota Wild $600,000 $600,000
Brian McGrattan Nashville Predators $600,000 $600,000
Warren Peters Pittsburgh Penguins $600,000 $600,000
Dylan Reese Pittsburgh Penguins $600,000 $600,000
Andrew Murray St. Louis Blues $600,000 $600,000
J.T. Wyman Tampa Bay Lightning $600,000 $600,000
Andrew Ebbett Vancouver Canucks $600,000 $600,000
Aaron Volpatti Vancouver Canucks $600,000 $600,000
Steve Pinizzotto Vancouver Canucks $600,000 $600,000
Wojtek Wolski Washington Capitals $600,000 $600,000
Brett Carson Calgary Flames $575,000 $600,000
Bryan Bickell Chicago Blackhawks $542,000 $600,000
Jordan Hendry Anaheim Ducks $600,000 $600,000
Garnet Exelby Boston Bruins $600,000 $600,000
Christian Hanson Boston Bruins $600,000 $600,000
Jamie Tardif Boston Bruins $600,000 $600,000
Andrew Joudrey Columbus Blue Jackets $587,500 $600,000
Jason DeSantis Florida Panthers $600,000 $600,000
Cedrick Desjardins Montreal Canadiens $600,000 $600,000
Sean Collins NY Rangers $600,000 $600,000
Nathan Lawson Ottawa Senators $600,000 $600,000
Hugh Jessiman Ottawa Senators $600,000 $600,000
Matthew Ford Philadelphia Flyers $600,000 $600,000
Chad Johnson Phoenix Coyotes $600,000 $600,000
Philippe Dupuis Pittsburgh Penguins $600,000 $600,000
T.J. Hensick St. Louis Blues $600,000 $600,000
Michael Kostka Toronto Maple Leafs $600,000 $600,000
Ryan Hamilton Toronto Maple Leafs $600,000 $600,000
Guillaume Desbiens Vancouver Canucks $600,000 $600,000
Mark Dekanich Winnipeg Jets $600,000 $600,000
Francis Pare Detroit Red Wings $557,500 $590,000
Blair Riley NY Islanders $580,000 $580,000
Sean Backman NY Islanders $577,500 $578,000
Petteri Nokelainen Montreal Canadiens $575,000 $575,000
Cam Janssen New Jersey Devils $575,000 $575,000
Trent Whitfield Boston Bruins $575,000 $575,000
David Van Der Gulik Colorado Avalanche $575,000 $575,000
Sean Sullivan Colorado Avalanche $575,000 $575,000
Frederic St. Denis Montreal Canadiens $575,000 $575,000
Trevor Smith Pittsburgh Penguins $575,000 $575,000
Scott Ford St. Louis Blues $575,000 $575,000
Dane Byers Edmonton Oilers $560,000 $560,000
Joey MacDonald Detroit Red Wings $550,000 $550,000
Mark Mancari Buffalo Sabres $550,000 $550,000
David Leggio Buffalo Sabres $550,000 $550,000
Thomas Pock Colorado Avalanche $550,000 $550,000
Bill Thomas Colorado Avalanche $550,000 $550,000
Greg Rallo Florida Panthers $550,000 $550,000
Dov Grumet-Morris Florida Panthers $550,000 $550,000
Mike Moore Nashville Predators $550,000 $550,000
Chris Mueller Nashville Predators $550,000 $550,000
Brandon Segal NY Rangers $550,000 $550,000
Bracken Kearns San Jose Sharks $550,000 $550,000
Adam Cracknell St. Louis Blues $550,000 $550,000
Kyle Wilson Tampa Bay Lightning $550,000 $550,000
Andrew Gordon Vancouver Canucks $537,500 $550,000
Garrett Stafford Washington Capitals $550,000 $550,000
Eric Boulton NY Islanders $540,000 $540,000
Nate Guenin Anaheim Ducks $525,000 $525,000
Matt Ellis Buffalo Sabres $525,000 $525,000
Peter Harrold New Jersey Devils $525,000 $525,000
Chad Kolarik NY Rangers $525,000 $525,000
Ben Lovejoy Pittsburgh Penguins $525,000 $525,000
Nick Tarnasky Buffalo Sabres $525,000 $525,000
Ben Walter Calgary Flames $537,500 $525,000
Clay Wilson Calgary Flames $525,000 $525,000
Joe Piskula Calgary Flames $525,000 $525,000
Krys Kolanos Calgary Flames $525,000 $525,000
Carter Hutton Chicago Blackhawks $525,000 $525,000
Bryan Lerg Colorado Avalanche $525,000 $525,000
Patrick Bordeleau Colorado Avalanche $525,000 $525,000
Travis Morin Dallas Stars $525,000 $525,000
Jay Leach New Jersey Devils $525,000 $525,000
Tim Sestito New Jersey Devils $525,000 $525,000
Matthew Anderson New Jersey Devils $525,000 $525,000
Chad Wiseman New Jersey Devils $525,000 $525,000
Mike Vernace NY Rangers $525,000 $525,000
Brad Thiessen Pittsburgh Penguins $525,000 $525,000
Danny Groulx San Jose Sharks $525,000 $525,000
Mike McKenna St. Louis Blues $525,000 $525,000
Mike Angelidis Tampa Bay Lightning $525,000 $525,000
Dany Sabourin Washington Capitals $525,000 $525,000
Ryan Potulny Washington Capitals $525,000 $525,000
Matthew Clackson Washington Capitals $525,000 $525,000
Aaron Gagnon Winnipeg Jets $562,500 $525,000
There are a lot more high salary good players heading into free agency than usual.

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Doesn't $6 mil in cap space already pro rate into something ridiculous at the deadline? I remember the Hawks were able to add an absurd amount at the deadline last year if they so chose. Plus as it stands, the Hawks can add any of those players right now besides Iginla if they so chose.

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Doesn't $6 mil in cap space already pro rate into something ridiculous at the deadline? I remember the Hawks were able to add an absurd amount at the deadline last year if they so chose. Plus as it stands, the Hawks can add any of those players right now besides Iginla if they so chose.
Yeah, it does. But adding guys also pushes Frolik out too. What happens if nobody will take him at the TD? I don't see him as part of the future with the wing prospects that are ready. I just don't see his purpose on this team at all. Regarding the cap, we probably won't use it anyway so it's a moot point I guess. I wish we would though, this team was such a joke at the trade deadline last year and the offseason too. The CBA is no longer an excuse.

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Yeah, it does. But adding guys also pushes Frolik out too. What happens if nobody will take him at the TD? I don't see him as part of the future with the wing prospects that are ready. I just don't see his purpose on this team at all. Regarding the cap, we probably won't use it anyway so it's a moot point I guess. I wish we would though, this team was such a joke at the trade deadline last year and the offseason too. The CBA is no longer an excuse.
I'm not against trading Frolik at some point this year or over the summer. I just don't think there is a hurry to do it now.

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Frolik makes too much for what he is. He's a poor man's Kopecky making twice what Tomas did.

Trade him for a sixth, pick up an energy guy off waivers.

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Frolik makes too much for what he is. He's a poor man's Kopecky making twice what Tomas did.

Trade him for a sixth, pick up an energy guy off waivers.
Trade him and replace him with Jimmy Hayes

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All this trade talk of Fro must make BWC teary eyed as his favorite under achiever is not a golden boy for most fans. He is wasting a spot that one of our prospects can fill with the same offensive output.

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thought about this a bit more and think that buying out Hossa isn't the worst idea. As long as we replace him with a younger Top 6 player I'd say yes to this.

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thought about this a bit more and think that buying out Hossa isn't the worst idea. As long as we replace him with a younger Top 6 player I'd say yes to this.
Yeah it is, for now anyways, unless we keep him for four more years. I can think of 10 teams that would trade for Hossa right now, he fetches at minimum a decent prospect + 1st. He's a HIGH IQ player who was second in conference points last year, he'll be fine for at least 3-4 more years.

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Frolik makes too much for what he is. He's a poor man's Kopecky making twice what Tomas did.

Trade him for a sixth, pick up an energy guy off waivers.
Kopy really grew on me in 2011. He can play wing or center and always seemed to be in front of the net.

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