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Neo-Cons mobilize against Chuck Hagel nomination

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01-07-2013, 08:39 PM
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How about being so staunchly pro-Isreal that if the neo-cons had their way we would be dropping bombs on Iran right now.
So its better to bow down to Iran and be Anti-Isreal. Good idea!

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01-07-2013, 08:39 PM
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What are these "neocon policies" you speak of?

Also, how is someone who is accused of throwing away his medals and was shot down by the voters for president back in 2004 going to be a great choice?
Is throwing away medals a bad thing?

Did you serve in the military, AP?


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01-07-2013, 08:43 PM
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When I say anarchy, I am not speaking in absolute terms, it is an IR term. It is based on anarchy because there is no higher governing body than the state; the state is still sovereign and the primary actor in the international system. Therefore, the international system is based on the lack of governance.

This is slowly changing with international bodies becoming more prominent, but it is still largely the case today.

A hegemonic dominance of Western countries is still an anarchical system.
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01-07-2013, 08:44 PM
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Is throwing away medals a bad thing?
In the eyes of a radical left winger, if its a Democrat who did, then no. BUT if a Republican does it, then yes.

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01-07-2013, 08:46 PM
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lol, "accused of" throwing away his medals. John Kerry was accused of all kinds of garbage in that Swift Boat book, which far-right rubes bought to the point of it being a NY Times Bestseller (despite it being riddled with inaccuracies and unsubstantiated allegations). Apparently just being accused of something and not being elected president are enough to disqualify a person from holding a future position in government.

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01-07-2013, 08:49 PM
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Also, I was talking to the gentleman from South Carolina. So far no answer!

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01-07-2013, 08:55 PM
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In the eyes of a radical left winger, if its a Democrat who did, then no. BUT if a Republican does it, then yes.
That's weird. Did you serve in the military?

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01-07-2013, 09:04 PM
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When I say anarchy, I am not speaking in absolute terms, it is an IR term. It is based on anarchy because there is no higher governing body than the state; the state is still sovereign and the primary actor in the international system. Therefore, the international system is based on the lack of governance.

This is slowly changing with international bodies becoming more prominent, but it is still largely the case today.

A hegemonic dominance of Western countries is still an anarchical system.
Good stuff, buddah. Although on the surface, no two concepts seem more opposed than hegemony (which implies a clear hierarchy) and anarchy. IR theory is rather complex, but fascinating.

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So its better to bow down to Iran and be Anti-Isreal. Good idea!
Or it's better to not bow down to either side. And you know realize both sides share blame. Are you really this stupid? No need to answer. You asked for a neo-con policy and I gave ounce and once again you come across like a retard.

And once again I will ask... Do you think John Kerry was a war hero?

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That's weird. Did you serve in the military?
From what I see around here he's much too busy whacking it to Lindsay Lohan for something like serving his country.

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The Republicans demand that our head of Defense for the world be more on the pro conservative Israel side than a large portion of the Israeli government and people.

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01-07-2013, 09:15 PM
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That's weird. Did you serve in the military?
Of course he didn't.

Republicans love to say "support the troops" unless a former troop is running for office as a Democrat, in which case it's A-ok to accuse them of trumping up their military record.

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What are these "neocon policies" you speak of?

Also, how is someone who is accused of throwing away his medals and was shot down by the voters for president back in 2004 going to be a great choice?
"Accused of" means squat. In this country, you're innocent until proven guilty.

Obama was "accused of" being born in Kenya and faking an American birth certificate. How did that turn out?

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Republicans love to say "support the troops" unless a former troop is running for office as a Democrat, in which case it's A-ok to accuse them of trumping up their military record.


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Obama was "accused of" being born in Kenya and faking an American birth certificate. How did that turn out?
Sheriff Joe says 'any day now,' so he's still waiting, I'm sure.

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Also, I was talking to the gentleman from South Carolina. So far no answer!
Lol, I was out all night watching the football game. You do a drive-by AP then call me out for not responding within a couple of hours? Hilarious.

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What percentage of the Senate is needed for confirmation?

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What percentage of the Senate is needed for confirmation?
60 votes since we are in the era where the Republicans will essentially filibuster everything they can under the procedural rules and never allow an up-and-down vote on a bill unless they are forced to by law (such as for certain budget reconciliation bills).

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Let's recap what has happened since I asked a couple of hard hitting questions to Epsilon:

Personal attacks
Other trying to pass of rhetoric and opinions as facts
Dodging questions while trying to dismiss hard hitting questions in a post as "drive-by"

Looks like I win again.

Anyways, I'm sick and tired of these politicans who are still working in politics in some way shape or form after their time has past. I'm tired of the Clintion's as much as I am tired of the George Bush Family. I didn't want Kerry for President and I want him gone from the political scene as well, and so does the majority of the American people.

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Let's recap what has happened since I asked a couple of hard hitting questions to Epsilon:

Personal attacks
Other trying to pass of rhetoric and opinions as facts
Dodging questions while trying to dismiss hard hitting questions in a post as "drive-by"
Well, even if you are correct - you're not - to be fair to Epsilon, you're a complete and total ****ing idiot who isn't worthy of serious debate or discussion. That ship sailed a long, long time ago.

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AP has never asked a hard-hitting question in his life.

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AP has never asked a hard-hitting question in his life.
Asking the hooker on the street corner if $20 is enough was at least close, though.

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Jewish lobby complains about Hagel's anti-Israel comments

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Well, even if you are correct - you're not - to be fair to Epsilon, you're a complete and total ****ing idiot who isn't worthy of serious debate or discussion.
1st off I am correct and 2nd you think anyone who dares to have a different opnion than you is an idiot when that is not true. In fact, I feel sorry for the small number of those on the left who have a brain and it's the like of you that gives the real meaning of the word liberal a bad name.

Also, in order for me to have a serious debate with someone, that same individual needs to use truth and facts as is and be willing to say that they are wrong when they are wrong. If I come across those who are only interested what they feel the truth and facts should be(like almost all of you here), then I'm not going to waste much of my time and energy on such freaks of nature, the same way how many other right minded indivduals here(JXC and company) don't bother wasting much time here on those who don't have a clue.

Oh and if none of you like the insults I give out, then don't dish it if you can't take it.

Anyways, my questions still stand and so far I have won the argument, especially from those who label certain politicans as "neo-cons", when they are not neo-con.


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JERUSALEM—Top-ranking government officials in Jerusalem confirmed Tuesday that Israel would exercise its longstanding, constitutionally granted veto power over American policy if U.S. lawmakers confirmed retired congressman Chuck Hagel as the United States’ next Secretary of Defense. “In light of Mr. Hagel’s worrying remarks on Israeli-Palestinian relations and questionable classification of Israeli interests as ‘the Jewish lobby,’ we consider him a highly inappropriate choice for Defense Secretary who stands far out of line with our national priorities, and therefore we are prepared to swiftly and resolutely use our official veto power over this U.S. action,” said Israeli government spokesperson Mark Regev of the legal maneuver that the small Middle Eastern nation has employed to block U.S. Cabinet nominees, U.S. legislation, U.S. international relations, and U.S. domestic policy over 1,400 times in its 64-year history. “Because congress does not possess the necessary nine-tenths majority to override an Israeli veto, they’ll have no choice but to head back to the drawing board and provide a Defense Secretary whom we find more suitable.” Sources confirmed that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had sent the White House a list of three individuals the Israeli leader considered appropriate to head the American military from which U.S. President Barack Obama could choose.
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