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01-08-2013, 04:08 PM
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Jenner has already been told hes coming to camp and if he makes the team will be our PK guy to go with foligno.

Dubi was a 50-60pt player on a 2nd-3rd line role. Now he has a chance to be a top line guy. Same with Foligno. Atkinson will be a 20-30 goal player with possibly just as many assists. Johansen will stay in the AHL for another season for seasoning. This team was just assembled, so to think that CBJ would disassemble them without a single game played would be crazy. Also JD is so excited about having 3 picks in the 1st rd, that right there is columbus' savior. Hes not going to move those picks until we know the order of those picks, and even then hes going to want a kings ransom, this is a very very deep draft.
Any GM who wouldn't make a trade that improves their team because "the team was just assembled" should not have a job. To turn down a player who would be the best player on your team for that reason would be foolish.

The reason I wouldn't trade Jenner/Johanson +1st for Plekanec would not be because of skill but because CBJ aren't close to competing and I would rather keep futures.

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01-08-2013, 04:15 PM
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Any GM who wouldn't make a trade that improves their team because "the team was just assembled" should not have a job. To turn down a player who would be the best player on your team for that reason would be foolish.

The reason I wouldn't trade Jenner/Johanson +1st for Plekanec would not be because of skill but because CBJ aren't close to competing and I would rather keep futures.
The jackets just traded away their franchise player for those pieces, who were just assembled and havent played a game, Any GM who would trade away their franchise player and then take those piecces he just acquired and trade them for an aging forward and goaltend shouldnt have a job...

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01-08-2013, 04:22 PM
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Only problem, i believe Plekanec has a NTC, and in his prime, so I doubt he'd be ok being traded from his only franchise without going to an immediate contender

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01-08-2013, 04:23 PM
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You guys are crazy. Mason could be moved, and maybe savard. But any of - Erixon, Moore, Johansen, Jenner, ANY of the 3 1sts, Murray, Dubi, Foligno, Anisimov are definitely untouchable. Columbus brass are so high on all of our younger kids and even are newly acquired players. And ESPECIALLY for Plekanec, IMO it would take a lot more than an aging goaltender and a mediocre forward to give up our future for. JD is not about to move any of his younger kids. And with Dubi and foligno JUST getting into columbus, they will not be moved for at least a season. CBJ is done trading for awhile, unless a trade comes along that they cant afford to miss, and this well..this isnt one of them.
LOL, Plekanec is a mediocre forward but Dubinski, Foligno and Anisimov are untouchable. OK there...

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01-08-2013, 04:28 PM
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LOL, Plekanec is a mediocre forward but Dubinski, Foligno and Anisimov are untouchable. OK there...
I'll say it again...they are untouchable because they just traded Rick Nash to acquire dubi and anisimov and have yet to play a game in a jackets sweater...they arent going anywhere until at LEAST this offseason. And the jackets arent looking for aging players, so this deal from the start does not make any sense.

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01-08-2013, 04:29 PM
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How about johansen + 1 round lak + savard vs plekanec + Gallagher or kristo + 3 round

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To Montreal:
Brassard, S. Mason, David Savard

To Columbus:
Plekanec, Budaj
Well, I'd bring it to my hockey ops group and see if anybody would really sell it to me, anyway. I'm partial to Brassard and Savard. But not sure. In a different situation I might be willing to contemplate the Mason reclamation attempt, but tbh he is more of a negative to this offer to me than a postive for the Habs' situation. Plekanec is the best bet in the group IMHO, and I don't think I'd go for it in the end. It would actually help if you shaved the goalies off for me.

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01-08-2013, 04:31 PM
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Montreal says no.

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01-08-2013, 04:41 PM
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I'll say it again...they are untouchable because they just traded Rick Nash to acquire dubi and anisimov and have yet to play a game in a jackets sweater...they arent going anywhere until at LEAST this offseason. And the jackets arent looking for aging players, so this deal from the start does not make any sense.
A better way to phrase it would be to simply state the reason(s) you are not interested in acquiring Plekanec. Calling Dubinski, Anisimov and Foligno "untouchable" is an absolute joke no matter what your reason is.

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01-08-2013, 04:59 PM
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Plekanec would instantly be your best player up front and is one of the premiere PK specialists in the league. What does that say about Columbus going forward if a mediocre forward is better than what you have?
It says that Columbus had better hold onto guys like Jenner, Johansen, and their 1st.

The OP's deal is not good for Montreal.

Plekanec would be nice in Columbus but he has an NTC, Montreal still needs him, etc. This would be a move made at the draft if at all.

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01-08-2013, 05:06 PM
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Davidson has said brick by brick. That would seem to mean that he's going to build from the ground up. That would mean not trading valuable futures like first round draft choices and guys like Ryan Johansen.

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01-08-2013, 05:12 PM
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A better way to phrase it would be to simply state the reason(s) you are not interested in acquiring Plekanec. Calling Dubinski, Anisimov and Foligno "untouchable" is an absolute joke no matter what your reason is.
Unless they are really getting a stellar player back they really are untouchable right now until they actually play some games.

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01-08-2013, 05:39 PM
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I wouldn't trade Plekanec for any of the Blue jackets players, Plekanec is a real pro with a lot of class, his work ethic is tremendous and hes better offensively than any jackets + he got draft by the habs so he know the city, the fans and how to deal with it. He's part of the family.

The only thing I would want to trade Plek for is for great prospect but only at the trade deadline depending on where the habs will be.

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01-08-2013, 05:42 PM
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Unless they are really getting a stellar player back they really are untouchable right now until they actually play some games.
Fair enough...I'm sure Columbus isn't looking to move those players.

Meanwhile in Toronto, Kulemin, Frattin, and Bozak are declared untouchable.

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01-08-2013, 05:58 PM
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Yeah the Mason/Budaj swap wasn't really meant to be the major part of the deal, just thought it would even up the salary swap a bit and maybe provide a backup for Montreal for more than one season.

As I pointed out in the OP, Tim Erixon and potentially John Moore could be included instead of David Savard. The three of them probably all hold similar value, but John Moore's skillset better fits the Blue Jacket's needs going forward with all the puckmovers we have.

I don't see Jenner or Johansen being moved for quite a while though. While I was saying we have too much depth up front and not enough first line talent, I don't see how moving our two biggest forward prospects would be more beneficial than moving prospects from an area of strength who at least in Jenner's case, hold similar value.

And to everybody doubting Savard's potential to be an effective NHL defenseman, he more than held his own in that position last season and currently has more points in the AHL than any Hamilton Bulldog player.....
Montreal doesn't particularly need puckmoving D either, we're kind of overload there. Maybe in the future, but with Beaulieu developing and Subban with the big club its not much of a long-term concern either. When I said that the habs needed an upgrade from Savard, I didn't mean Moore or Erixon. I agree that all have similar value and all three have NHL potential. I just meant that they don't have the kind of potential that would get Montreal to consider moving Pleks. I'm not sure what Columbus would be willing to offer, but as the trade is currently constituted, it wouldn't entice Montreal, especially if we have to take on Mason.

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01-08-2013, 06:14 PM
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There really isn't anything there for Montreal in this. Mason is a project that isn't worth his contract. Brassard is interesting but he doesn't have any role on a team with Desharnais filling his niche better than he can manage and the Habs have a glut of puck moving defenseman prospects.


Basically nothing close to worth losing a quality top six centerman over. Likewise anyone over 25 is probably useless to the Blue Jackets who are in Oilers mode right now. There isn't a deal to be made here.

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01-08-2013, 06:24 PM
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Montreal doesn't particularly need puckmoving D either, we're kind of overload there. Maybe in the future, but with Beaulieu developing and Subban with the big club its not much of a long-term concern either. When I said that the habs needed an upgrade from Savard, I didn't mean Moore or Erixon. I agree that all have similar value and all three have NHL potential. I just meant that they don't have the kind of potential that would get Montreal to consider moving Pleks. I'm not sure what Columbus would be willing to offer, but as the trade is currently constituted, it wouldn't entice Montreal, especially if we have to take on Mason.
I'm not sure I follow. Assuming Kaberle is bought out(a 50/50 proposition for now) and The Cube is here for a 1 year stint, why wouldn't we want a player like Moore. I'm not sure either Beaulieu or Tinordi are going to be ready to log big minutes for a couple of years.

Most of the Hab fans seem certain we have a glut of d-men and we don't. Listening to guys like Dudley, he seems to want to build from the net out, so either he's out to lunch or the posters are dreaming in Technicolour if you don't think we are going to be upgrading ourselves at the d position.

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Plekanec for 2013 1st, pls.

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Basically nothing close to worth losing a quality top six centerman over. Likewise anyone over 25 is probably useless to the Blue Jackets who are in Oilers mode right now. There isn't a deal to be made here.
Clearly, this is a trade neither team's fans want to happen.

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There's no way they give up a blue chipper like Johansen, a big centre something MTL lacks and needs, for Tomas Plekanec.

No freakin way.

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01-09-2013, 10:49 AM
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There's no way they give up a blue chipper like Johansen, a big centre something MTL lacks and needs, for Tomas Plekanec.

No freakin way.
Not anymore with Galchenyuk

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01-09-2013, 11:45 AM
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For Plekanec? No thanks.
Not all of that, just pieces out of that list for him.

Plekanec is someone a team who's window to win just opened, or could open this year/next and have the pieces to keep it open for a few years.

He's no real use to the Blue Jackets imo. However, they for sure have the pieces to get him.

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Columbus won't be giving up a 1st in this years draft for Plekanec. With two 1sts in a deep draft this year is very important for their future. Also, don't expect them to trade players such as Foligno or Dubinsky who have yet to play a single game for them.

Plekanec simply isn't the player they should be bundling important assets for.

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01-09-2013, 12:58 PM
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Columbus won't be giving up a 1st in this years draft for Plekanec. With two 1sts in a deep draft this year is very important for their future. Also, don't expect them to trade players such as Foligno or Dubinsky who have yet to play a single game for them.

Plekanec simply isn't the player they should be bundling important assets for.
Minor correction: Columbus has three first round picks, this year - their own, NYR (Nash deal), and LAK (Carter deal).

While the CBJ pick is probably (!) untouchable, the other two could conceivably be used in one or more deals. Not likely, but possible.

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Minor correction: Columbus has three first round picks, this year - their own, NYR (Nash deal), and LAK (Carter deal).

While the CBJ pick is probably (!) untouchable, the other two could conceivably be used in one or more deals. Not likely, but possible.
With Davidson in charge now, I dont see those picks being moved until we know exactly which picks they will be.

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