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Luongo: Is the light getting brighter?

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01-08-2013, 04:34 PM
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Add Kassian and mid pick.
And still no. The leafs are not even gonna think about trading Gardiner.

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Add Kassian and mid pick.
As long as you add JVR and Gunnarson. See I can make trades with unrealistic expectations as well.

Tbh, i wouldn't trade Luongo alone for the the first deal, let alone add to it.

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As long as you add JVR and Gunnarson. See I can make trades with unrealistic expectations as well.

Tbh, i wouldn't trade Luongo alone for the the first deal, let alone add to it.
You're vastly overrating a soon-to-be 34 year old goaltender signed to a decade long contract in a new CBA environment.

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And on that point, my last, I see where some of the separation begins.

At 5.3M I can only imagine Luongo being a discount on that figure for 3-4 years MAX. He may match that figure but by no means perform better then it. Thus I see him declining somewhat around 36/37 from elite status.

With that being considered, 3-4 years of advantage, maybe 2-3 years of debatable market value leaves about 4 years where he will perform below that cap hit. Say he retires before the contract is over so 3 years. Plus 3-4 years of a dead cap space penalty and you have about 6 years where the cap hit versus his ability would be a detriment versus 3-4 years of real value.

Not what I would consider fair or not even the slightest problem.
What if nucks throw in some cap space and bring Luo's hit down to 2.375

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Alright thanks for the discussion everyone. I'm out.

I still stand by the cap-recapture system hurting Lu's value somewhat among other things.

I don't want the Leafs to part with a 1st and I'm hesitant to include Kadri or Kulemin but definitely not both.

For the record, I'd go Bozak, Kadri and a 3rd. No higher. A higher pick if someone like Finn or a lower prospect is inserted for Kadri.

We'll see when it all goes down which I feel will be soon. We'll see and can comment then. Have a good day.
He he he, I remember saying this...

I have over 3000 posts now...I wonder how many of them I've used in here.

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All this fuss over Luongo. He hasn't done anything all season.

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You're vastly overrating a soon-to-be 34 year old goaltender signed to a decade long contract in a new CBA environment.
Yea...no I'm not. Lu is a game changer for any team lucky enough to acquire him, to say other wise is ridiculous.

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01-08-2013, 04:42 PM
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And still no. The leafs are not even gonna think about trading Gardiner.

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All this fuss over Luongo. He hasn't done anything all season.
Pfffttt what do you know? you only have 123 posts!

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You're vastly overrating a soon-to-be 34 year old goaltender signed to a decade long contract in a new CBA environment.
In which you can trade cap space...

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I dont get it. What does Ms. Cleo have to do with the leafs not trading Gardiner.

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Pfffttt what do you know? you only have 123 posts!
Pfffttt what do you know? you only joined in 2011!

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Yea...no I'm not. Lu is a game changer for any team lucky enough to acquire him, to say other wise is ridiculous.
He sure is... for another year or maybe two, before his play starts declining? This isn't a 25-26 year old elite goaltender we're talking about here. Roberto is 34 years old and his last showing in the playoffs wasn't exactly inspiring.

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Add Kassian and mid pick.
Wait what?

So you're saying

the full deal looks like this?

To Vancouver Canucks

(D) Jake Gardiner
(C) Nazem Kadri
(C) Tim Connolly


To Toronto Maple Leafs

(G) Roberto Luongo
(F) Mason Raymond
(F) Zack Kassian
Vancouver 4th round pick 2013


If so.. Vancouver agrees.

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Supposedly Brian Burke said no to the Kings regarding Johnathan Bernier. Interesting but not all that surprising, considering we have a Bernier clone in James Reimer.

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And on that point, my last, I see where some of the separation begins.

At 5.3M I can only imagine Luongo being a discount on that figure for 3-4 years MAX. He may match that figure but by no means perform better then it. Thus I see him declining somewhat around 36/37 from elite status.

With that being considered, 3-4 years of advantage, maybe 2-3 years of debatable market value leaves about 4 years where he will perform below that cap hit. Say he retires before the contract is over so 3 years. Plus 3-4 years of a dead cap space penalty and you have about 6 years where the cap hit versus his ability would be a detriment versus 3-4 years of real value.

Not what I would consider fair or not even the slightest problem.
But you forget, as the cap goes up, his % of cap goes down, and he still becomes a better deal and does not have to continue to be a top 5 goalie in the league.


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All this fuss over Luongo. He hasn't done anything all season.
What are you talking about, he currently leads all NHL goalies in all major goalie stats.

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He sure is... for another year or maybe two, before his play starts declining? This isn't a 25-26 year old elite goaltender we're talking about here. Roberto is 34 years old and his last showing in the playoffs wasn't exactly inspiring.

He's 33 years old.

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He's 33 years old.
For another few months.

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Wait what?

So you're saying

the full deal looks like this?

To Vancouver Canucks

(D) Jake Gardiner
(C) Nazem Kadri
(C) Tim Connolly


To Toronto Maple Leafs

(G) Roberto Luongo
(F) Mason Raymond
(F) Zack Kassian
Vancouver 4th round pick 2013


If so.. Vancouver agrees.
Really? I say no, Kassian for Gardiner is a wash, but we don't need Gardiner as much as we need Kass, and Kadri Connelly for Lui and Raymond is terrible.

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Not trading Kassian. Everyone talks about how small, weak..etc we are. Not going to trade the Power Forward we traded Hodgson for. Goes DIRECTLY against Gillis' idea of a bigger team.



Also:

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Schneider on possibility of having Luongo at camp: "The best guy will play and there are worse things in the world than having ...

@benkuzma
... a world-class goalie pushing you and forcing you to be at your best. Roberto and I have dealt with this for two years now ...

@benkuzma
... we're not unfamiliar with the scrutiny and pressure and whatever you guys want to call it. We respect each other."

&

@benkuzma
Schneider on not knowing who is backup may be: "It's never awkward. It's a label that people put on it. I'm a pretty affable guy ...

@benkuzma
... Whoever does come in will be to my benefit and you can learn things from anybody. I'll just wait and see what happens."

But I'm sure we shouldn't trust what they say

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Really? I say no, Kassian for Gardiner is a wash, but we don't need Gardiner as much as we need Kass, and Kadri Connelly for Lui and Raymond is terrible.



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Really? I say no, Kassian for Gardiner is a wash, but we don't need Gardiner as much as we need Kass, and Kadri Connelly for Lui and Raymond is terrible.
Not in the Leafs eyes...

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I dont get it. What does Ms. Cleo have to do with the leafs not trading Gardiner.
What does Ms. Cleo do for a living?

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For another few months.
He is 33 right now, which makes your statement incorrect.


Also, if we were taking age to seasons, this would be his 33 year old season, not his 34 year old season because he turns 34 in April, 7 months into a given season.

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He's 33 years old.
And he'll be 35 next season.

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