HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Alex Edler

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-07-2013, 09:13 PM
  #76
Cogburn
Registered User
 
Cogburn's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,724
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by jphizzleruzbizzle View Post
not sure if anybody did something like this but how about:
To Vancouver
Paul stastny
D Prospect Duncan Seimens
To Colorado
Alex Edler
2014 2nd round pick (maybe a 3rd round if 2nd is askin too much)
Not actually an Av's fan are you? Otherwise, I'll have to flip what I'm about to say

The second isn't a "no", but if we could do it for the third, I'd be alright with the value. I think highly of Siemens, and Stastny I feel is a tad overpaid, but he's not bad at all.

Plus, if we should feel the need, Luongo+Stastny would overload the boards for trade proposals for the Leafs....so win?

Cogburn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-07-2013, 09:16 PM
  #77
racerjoe
Registered User
 
racerjoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 2,098
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cogburn View Post
Not actually an Av's fan are you? Otherwise, I'll have to flip what I'm about to say

The second isn't a "no", but if we could do it for the third, I'd be alright with the value. I think highly of Siemens, and Stastny I feel is a tad overpaid, but he's not bad at all.

Plus, if we should feel the need, Luongo+Stastny would overload the boards for trade proposals for the Leafs....so win?
Worth it right there!

racerjoe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-07-2013, 09:22 PM
  #78
Cogburn
Registered User
 
Cogburn's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,724
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by racerjoe View Post
Worth it right there!
So seconded....and sold!

Cogburn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-07-2013, 09:38 PM
  #79
JuniorNelson
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: E.Vancouver
Country: Australia-Aboriginal
Posts: 4,611
vCash: 50
Edler could have been re-signed before the lockout, but was not. Is this because he did not want to commit to Vancouver long term or is it because he didn't get a useful offer? Either scenario is indicative.

Mike Gillis has his own modus operandi and he has let people play out their contracts before. Ohlund, Mitchell and Salo spring to mind. I think Gillis will let Edler play out his current deal and then decide what to do.

I think there are ethical issues here, as well. Gillis cannot really trade Edler without risking damaged goods claims later.

JuniorNelson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-07-2013, 10:29 PM
  #80
orange is better
than other colors...
 
orange is better's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,691
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CREW99AW View Post
I wouldn't trade Hamonic, even for 4-5 yrs of a signed Edler.

Yes, Edler's a star, but Hamonic's a developing young star and will be on a very reasonable new contract for several more yrs. I think the only 2 untouchables on the NYI should be Tavares and Hamonic.

How about the choice of

1st rounder+ Strome+ Bailey?

1st rounder+Reinhart+ Bailey?
Isles would be crazy to offer that for a recently injured pending UFA....

orange is better is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-07-2013, 10:31 PM
  #81
Vankiller Whale
Maybe HE can score
 
Vankiller Whale's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,920
vCash: 5555
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYVanfan View Post
are we LA in the Richards scenario?
feels like we're Philly

call me crazy, but dumping your top minute man and top PP min dman doesnt seem like re-tooling
I was comparing us to Philly, yes. Mike Richards was probably just as important to them as Edler, but in the long run there's no question they won that trade.(LA winning the cup does not affect my opinion-parity in the league makes it virtually impossible to make comparisons base on one playoff run between two teams)

Vankiller Whale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-07-2013, 10:48 PM
  #82
CREW99AW
Registered User
 
CREW99AW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 28,524
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange is better View Post
Isles would be crazy to offer that for a recently injured pending UFA....


And usually I'm told that I don't offer enough back, to the other teams.

CREW99AW is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-07-2013, 10:52 PM
  #83
Vankiller Whale
Maybe HE can score
 
Vankiller Whale's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,920
vCash: 5555
Quote:
Originally Posted by CREW99AW View Post


And usually I'm told that I don't offer enough back, to the other teams.
I have to admit, it really surprised me.

Vankiller Whale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-07-2013, 11:10 PM
  #84
Peter Griffin
Registered User
 
Peter Griffin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 26,696
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NugentHopkinsfan View Post
I don't see how the Canucks can replace him if he leaves. He plays every situation, has great chemistry with the Sedins, puts up points and usually good in his own zone. How do we replace that?
Keith Ballard will replace Edler of course!

Peter Griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 02:01 AM
  #85
ProstheticConscience
Seeing is believing
 
ProstheticConscience's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Canuck Nation
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,380
vCash: 883
We.

Are.

Keeping.

Edler.

Thanks for coming out.

ProstheticConscience is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 02:54 AM
  #86
Bourne Endeavor
Moderator
( _)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
 
Bourne Endeavor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Country: Canada
Posts: 22,600
vCash: 13357
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYVanfan View Post
are we LA in the Richards scenario?
feels like we're Philly

call me crazy, but dumping your top minute man and top PP min dman doesnt seem like re-tooling
I think we could manage given Hamhuis seems to be emerging as a #1 of his own. I would be quite interested in running him with Garrison and seeing if he cannot just make a case for himself long term. Of course, this hinges on us dealing Luongo for say, Gunnarson.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Strome
Higgins - Bailey/Nielson - Hansen
Volpatti - Lapierre - Weise

Hamhuis - Garrison
Gunnarson - Bieska
Ballard - Tanev

Not a bad mock roster by any means. Perhaps buy out Ballard and pick up someone in the off season. We could also move Schneider and chase Gardiner, which might be the most ideal scenario.

Bourne Endeavor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 02:57 AM
  #87
Bourne Endeavor
Moderator
( _)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
 
Bourne Endeavor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Country: Canada
Posts: 22,600
vCash: 13357
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cogburn View Post
Not actually an Av's fan are you? Otherwise, I'll have to flip what I'm about to say

The second isn't a "no", but if we could do it for the third, I'd be alright with the value. I think highly of Siemens, and Stastny I feel is a tad overpaid, but he's not bad at all.

Plus, if we should feel the need, Luongo+Stastny would overload the boards for trade proposals for the Leafs....so win?
Oh god. If we got Stastny, I think every Leaf fan on this forum would be out for blood. That is beyond trollage.

Bourne Endeavor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 03:20 AM
  #88
professorchaos
Registered User
 
professorchaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Langley
Country: Canada
Posts: 285
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergei Shirokov View Post
Forget it, we won't get anything great and I honestly think we will get Eddie re-signed anyways which is better than any realistic package we could get IMO.
Agree with this, mostly.

I remember (as did a previous poster) when fellow Canuck fans were adamant, 100% positive that a 50 point producer like Ehrhoff was going to get re-signed for big bucks. That scenario seems to be quite similar to how the Edler scenario is playing out. Contract negotiations ended abruptly. No extension hammered out. How can anyone be certain of how this will play out considering past events?

professorchaos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 06:25 AM
  #89
jphizzleruzbizzle*
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 35
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cogburn View Post
Not actually an Av's fan are you? Otherwise, I'll have to flip what I'm about to say

The second isn't a "no", but if we could do it for the third, I'd be alright with the value. I think highly of Siemens, and Stastny I feel is a tad overpaid, but he's not bad at all.

Plus, if we should feel the need, Luongo+Stastny would overload the boards for trade proposals for the Leafs....so win?
I actually am an avs fan. stastny and seimens are more value than edler imo, however alex edler would be a perfect fit with erik johnson and our defense would be vastly improved. besides, we have radar and duchene so we would only be losing a (potential) 3rd line center. seems fair to me.

jphizzleruzbizzle* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 11:45 AM
  #90
Nuck This
Registered User
 
Nuck This's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,002
vCash: 500
Edler will be signed long term. A player with his tools don't grow on trees.

Nuck This is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 12:45 PM
  #91
bert
Registered User
 
bert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,128
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYVanfan View Post
so, canucks are rebuilding now?
No they are doing what the sens had to do after the last lockout. Re tooling and hopefully getting fair value without losing players for nothing.

Being a sens fan and the way the team was dismembered I hope that now being in the opposite position that we can retain new assets at lower then market to even everything out. That being said please trade us one of your defensmen the sens are in desperate need of not only one D man but 2.

bert is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 01:33 PM
  #92
GoTeamDom
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 942
vCash: 500
A Sens deal would have to be in similar vein of the bailey one.

Zibanejad and Weirchioch and a 1st
Or
Cowen and Stone and a 1st

Those would be my two proposals.

GoTeamDom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 03:06 PM
  #93
Kris Chreider
#Bickel4Norris
 
Kris Chreider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: NYC/Minneapolis
Country: United States
Posts: 6,829
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cogburn View Post
Seto and a 1st are good starting points, but honestly, I don't much care for Lucia and McIntyre...any piece you'd rather offer in their place?

And it's not just a rival thing, to be honest Minnesota hasn't really been a big rival in Canucks minds since the year you eliminated our butts in the Western semis, but that would be creating a monster on the Wild for a late first, a 2nd line winger who can spot check on the first, and a couple prospects. I know with out the promise of a contract extension (which I know is coming), his value is lower then it would be if he were extended, but we leave the Wild with Edler and Suter, Backstrom and Harding (hopefully soon), Heatley, Koivu, Parise and a whole mess of guys that can compete...it doesn't look good for us regardless of who we get back
Seto+conditional 1st+Larsson+Phillips? Maybe add a 3rd?

Kris Chreider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 03:13 PM
  #94
bert
Registered User
 
bert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,128
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProstheticConscience View Post
We.

Are.

Keeping.

Edler.

Thanks for coming out.
Just like the sens kept Havlat, Hossa and Chara right

bert is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 05:20 PM
  #95
Scottrockztheworld*
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,301
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bert View Post
Just like the sens kept Havlat, Hossa and Chara right
What does Gillis' ability have to do with the Sens inability to see Chara was better then Redden?

Scottrockztheworld* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 05:24 PM
  #96
Vankiller Whale
Maybe HE can score
 
Vankiller Whale's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,920
vCash: 5555
Some packages that I'd consider moving Edler for:
(ideally)

Something based around Tarasenko/Couturier/Strome/Silfverberg, a bonafide blue chipper with a small + attached for Strome/Silfverberg

(if forced)

Schwartz + 1st
Zibanejad + 1st
B. Connolly + 1st

with a low-end replacement defenseman added on.

Vankiller Whale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 05:27 PM
  #97
Rorschach
33 #nottobedenied
 
Rorschach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Los Angeles
Country: United States
Posts: 6,063
vCash: 500
If Edler gets to UFA and one of LA's veteran D falters (Mitchell or Scuderi, probably the latter), we'll be in the market to sign him for sure.

Rorschach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 05:33 PM
  #98
Rorschach
33 #nottobedenied
 
Rorschach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Los Angeles
Country: United States
Posts: 6,063
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuck This View Post
Edler will be signed long term. A player with his tools don't grow on trees.
They certainly should. Maybe re-sign him then buy another D (maybe Ballard) out?

Rorschach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 05:40 PM
  #99
Vankiller Whale
Maybe HE can score
 
Vankiller Whale's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,920
vCash: 5555
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
They certainly should. Maybe re-sign him then buy another D (maybe Ballard) out?
By far the most likely scenario. If we can get a few teams interested we might get a 2nd for him, but if there aren't any takers and the choice is between Edler and Ballard, it's a pretty easy one to make.

Vankiller Whale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2013, 05:43 PM
  #100
Rorschach
33 #nottobedenied
 
Rorschach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Los Angeles
Country: United States
Posts: 6,063
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale View Post
By far the most likely scenario. If we can get a few teams interested we might get a 2nd for him, but if there aren't any takers and the choice is between Edler and Ballard, it's a pretty easy one to make.
We're all still waiting in the details of the new agreement but I wonder if they can buy out KB and then re-sign him for less? Just curious if it's even possible.

Rorschach is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:00 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.