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Confirmed Details of 2013 CBA & CBA Questions (Merged)

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01-08-2013, 02:56 PM
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Bob McKenzie‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
In a 48-game schedule, there'll be no play between conferences. East plays East and West plays West. But here's the schedule matrix for 48:
Each team plays: 4 games vs. two Divisional opponents (8); 5 games vs. two divisional opponents (10); 3 games vs 10 Conference rivals (30).

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Thanks guys. Updated for Mirtle's latest.

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https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/s...48994961657858

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CBA is 10 yrs with mutual 8 yr opt-out but NHL has 1st option to terminate, no later than Sept. 1, 2019. NHLPA 2nd option, Sept. 15, 2019.
A little more opt out clarification

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A little more opt out clarification
As I noted to Crease a few days ago, a situation where the parties can individually terminate the deal is not a mutual opt-out. It is interesting to know, however, that the NHL gets to decide first. And sorry for the semi-discussion. I just feel like that needs clarity.

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https://twitter.com/capgeek/status/288829427868119042

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Contracts with salaries in future years that are below the league’s minimum salary will be adjusted upwards, thus changing their cap hits.
https://twitter.com/capgeek/status/288829497728462850

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Examples of such contracts: #Flyers Chris Pronger and #Bruins Marc Savard.

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That's what the article implies.

What it doesn't answer and I'm curious about is this. What if Luongo for example is traded at the point where his cap hit is actually higher than the salary paid? The acquiring team are paying out less than the cap hit. Then he retires early. Does the acquiring team then receive a cap benefit for those remaining years?
Looks tricky but really isn't. The acquiring team still has the cap hit adjustment to deal with. Why? Because despite paying less than the hit, the hit was still reduced due to the years lost to retirement.

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For all years:

Contracts
7 year max. 8 years if re-signing with same team
Max 35% variance year-over-year
Max 50% variance between lowest year and highest year of contract
Variance restrictions apply only to frontloaded deals, not backloaded deals
Performance bonus cushion (7.5%) no longer counts towards Cap Floor or Min Salary
Minimum player salary is 525k (2011 rate) but will grow to 650k by Y8 and 750k by Y9 and Y10
NMC/NTC effective upon contract extension (previously had to wait until new term began)
Is the 35% from one year to the next or 35% of the first year amount?

If Year 1 is $10M and then they do something like:
10-9-9 for the first three years, can the fourth year drop by $3.5M or only by $3.15M?

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Is the 35% from one year to the next or 35% of the first year amount?

If Year 1 is $10M and then they do something like:
10-9-9 for the first three years, can the fourth year drop by $3.5M or only by $3.15M?
It's 35% from one year to the next year.

And for your second question, the most it could drop by is $3.15MM. But also the cheapest any year could be is 50% lower than the highest year.

So let's look at this deal:
Year 1: $10,000,000
Year 2: $6,850,000 (35% less than $10MM)
Year 3: $4,452,500 (35% less than $6.85MM)

In that deal, the third year would not be allowed because it's more than 50% less than the highest year, even if it's still 35% less than the previous year.

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01-08-2013, 10:56 PM
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Tagging
Cap ceiling increases by 10% on March 1 for the purposes of tagging
What's this?

Also, I still have a question with the cap benefit restructuring. For example, let's say Kovalchuk stays in Russia. In his two years with the Devils, they didn't save anything. The combined cap hit for those two years were higher than his combined salary for those two years.


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What's this?

Also, I still have a question with the cap benefit restructuring. For example, let's say Kovalchuk stays in Russia. In his two years with the Devils, they didn't save anything. The combined cap hit for those two years were higher than his combined salary for those two years.
Tagging is the ability to exceed the Cap ceiling when signing an UFA to a multi-year SPC on or after Dec 1. For example, if the Cap ceiling is $40M and the team currently has $39M against the Cap ($1M in payroll room), they may sign an UFA so long as that player makes $1M or less for the remainder of that season. If they sign that player to a multi-year deal with Cap hit of say $2M, this is fine so long as the team has $2M in "Tagged" payroll room ($1M in payroll room this season and $1M of SPCs in their last year, all of which are tagged).

With regards to your second question, there has been no word whether or not Cap credits will be awarded if a team is charged a higher Cap hit than aggregate salaries paid.


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Bob McKenzie tweeted that for this year only, CHL players will only have 5 games to stay in the NHL and not the usual 9. Worth mentioning for the ELC slide

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Bob McKenzie tweeted that for this year only, CHL players will only have 5 games to stay in the NHL and not the usual 9. Worth mentioning for the ELC slide
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=413134
TSN article says 6 games.

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JSportsnet 7:30am via Twitter for BlackBerry® NHL Critical Dates calendar still being massaged, but look for Trade Deadline day to be Wednesday, April 3rd.


(Move up from 4/5 I initially heard)

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More small changes coming in. Players can now be loaned with consent after the trade deadline. Past couldn't do it even if a player wanted 2

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capgeek 8:37am via Web It appears the "cap advantage recapture" penalties will not apply to teams who traded long-term contracts prior to the new CBA.

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TSN article says 6 games.
6 games is when the year will count. It refers to it reverting back to 10 games next year.So 5/9 is the number at which the player can play without burninga year of entry level.

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RenLavoieRDS 11:02am via Twitter for BlackBerry® Details of pension fund. Player with minimum of 10 years service will get $200 000 annually starting at 62.

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More small changes coming in. Players can now be loaned with consent after the trade deadline. Past couldn't do it even if a player wanted 2
Does that mean loaned to AHL?

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Let's keep this thread specifically for updates on confirmed new details of the CBA, and simple questions/clarifications about those details.

Discussion and opinion about the new pension plan can continue here.

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fearthefin 8:57pm via Web While you wait with bated breath for trades to start coming in, why not read the new CBA in its entirety? nbcprohockeytalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/nhl_nh…


Link to pdf (of MOU, I'd guess, not "CBA" -- semantics)

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fearthefin 8:57pm via Web While you wait with bated breath for trades to start coming in, why not read the new CBA in its entirety? nbcprohockeytalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/nhl_nh…


Link to pdf (of MOU, I'd guess, not "CBA" -- semantics)
I added this link to the top of the first post.

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Regarding point 10 contracts outside the league, does everyone read that as, any contract dollars over the league minimum + 375,000 will count against the team's cap. Excluding potential bonuses.

So this year that number is 900,000.

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Another interesting point, if a team trades a player and retains part of his salary and the new team eventually buys him out, the cap hit does not change for the old team. Ex. 3m contract is traded and team A retains 1m per year. Team B has 2m in payment and cap hit. Team B buys out player with 1yr left on contract and pays the buyout dollars and cap hit as normal for the 2m portion. Team A pays the adjusted dollars on their 1m portion but has no change to their cap hit.

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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...-on-ducks.html

Elliotte Friedman getting answers

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21. Let's play some cap circumvention. Hockey Night In Canada producer Brian Spear came up with a couple of ideas, so I ran them past NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly. First, NBA-style sign-and-trades. Basically, a basketball free agent wants to leave his team for somewhere else, but still wants the extra year you get for staying put. Voila! Original team signs him and trades him. Can this happen in the NHL?
22. Daly's answer: Yes, provided the player was on a team's reserve list as of the most recent trade deadline. Therefore, anyone acquired on that date is ineligible.
23. Second, a player says, "I'll sign a one-year deal with your team as a free agent provided I get eight years next summer." In essence, this guy gets nine years where he should have received seven.
24. Daly's answer: You can do this, but we better not find a paper trail. Google "Joe Smith" and "Timberwolves." NBA commissioner David Stern crushed Minnesota for that one.

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erlendssonTBO 8:53am via TweetDeck FYI, roster deadline is 3 p.m. on Friday to submit to the league, meaning noon Thursday is deadline to put players on waivers to send to AHL

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