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01-08-2013, 03:10 PM
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That's fair; I'm just worried about the advantage it gives to centers who can also be played in wing spots on Yahoo.

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01-08-2013, 03:14 PM
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What about a negative points category for face-off losses?

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With the first overall pick in the 2013 prospect draft, Team White Box selects, from the Edmonton Oilers, Nail Yakupov.

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01-08-2013, 03:32 PM
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That's fair; I'm just worried about the advantage it gives to centers who can also be played in wing spots on Yahoo.
Definitely understand that. Yahoo doesn't do the best job at all of keeping spots up to date. Though in limiting the number of keepers the number of players like that who would be worth keeping around are probably somewhere around half a dozen now.

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What about a negative points category for face-off losses?
Possibility. I think we tried that the first year and still ended up with Brind'Amour as fantasy god because of his ridiculous FO% and numbers. But that's always a way to balance.

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What about a negative points category for face-off losses?
This rule would defeat the purpose of adding a bit of a tie-breaker for centers (who I think are widely agreed upon as a bit more valuable than wingers). Centers who suck at faceoffs would suddenly be less valuable, which I don't think is the case irl.

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01-08-2013, 07:03 PM
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Ok, I was just doing the prospect stuff, but realized that it's a worthless exercise if we increase the number of games to 200/100. So, unless someone thinks it's necessary, I'm going to stop now.

(remember when people were pissed that the Hurricanes passed on Angelo Esposito? Good times...)


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Yahoo won't let me select keepers. is that okay?

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that's fine, we've just selected them on the board typically with me inputting them manually before the draft

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This rule would defeat the purpose of adding a bit of a tie-breaker for centers (who I think are widely agreed upon as a bit more valuable than wingers). Centers who suck at faceoffs would suddenly be less valuable, which I don't think is the case irl.
It wouldn't have to be a negative value that is equal to the positive value, though. For instance, face-off wins could be .01 while faceoff losses could be -.005 or something like that. So centers would still have that tie-breaker.

With just faceoff wins and not losses counted, you are inflating the value of players who take a lot of faceoffs even though they may not be good at them. For instance, Eric Staal was regularly top 10-15 in the league in faceoff wins even when he was terrible at faceoffs, just because he would take so many. Having losses counted gives more value to players who are actually good at faceoffs.


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Jaroslav Halak
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If Tavares is not exempt, I got a decision to make.

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was hoping everyone on here would believe he was a lazy non-back checking 25 year old.

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James Reimer (exempt?)
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Jordan Eberle (exempt)
Marcus Johansson (exempt)
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IIRC Reimer was a signee instead of a prospect draft pick, so he's not eligible for exemption. So go with those 8 skaters?

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24 years of age, or 3 full NHL seasons (200 games for skaters/100 games for goalies) whichever comes first.
At what annual date or point in the season does the player need to remain 23 in order to be exempt?

And while we're on the subject, why is it that a player who has not yet played 200 games should suddenly become fair game, just because they turned 24? In other words, what problem are we trying to solve with this portion of the rule? I ask because it will be another fact-checking task every season, therefore it's a pain to administrate. Let's make sure that the problem being solved is bigger than the one it will create.

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At what annual date or point in the season does the player need to remain 23 in order to be exempt?

And while we're on the subject, why is it that a player who has not yet played 200 games should suddenly become fair game, just because they turned 24? In other words, what problem are we trying to solve with this portion of the rule? I ask because it will be another fact-checking task every season, therefore it's a pain to administrate. Let's make sure that the problem being solved is bigger than the one it will create.
24 by start of the season IMO. Fairest way to do it.

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24 by start of the season IMO. Fairest way to do it.
The first game of the regular season, regardless of which team is playing that game, then? Or is it some other definition of "start of the season"? Rules need details, commish!

Any thought to the other question?

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First game of the season, though October 1st may make an easier cutoff date and it comes pretty close to the start of the season anyway.

And generally speaking I would say 200 is a pretty good point anyhow. By that point you should have a pretty good idea if a player is worth keeping or not. But you should generally be able to get that with guys who are 24 as well, guys who haven't shown what they're worth by then generally aren't worth using a keeper slot on long term. IE: Jay Harrison may have been a late bloomer, but nobody would use a keeper on him. But maybe have an exemption in on a guy like Dustin Penner or Tyler Bozak who's a late bloomer so they might not even show up as a prospect pick until they're 23. So basically give the GM a full 2-3 seasons after drafting a player if they use it on a late bloomer in the prospect draft?

Of course, if they're a UFA signing (by the GM here, not in real life), doesn't matter anyway, they don't fall under the exemption rules anyway.

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