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01-08-2013, 03:58 PM
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I say: SE Division winners. Gotta have something to shoot for.

This team put a great push on at the end of the year, they suffered from a terrible start (that was caused by a multitude of reasons that won't be present this year), they're on board with Noel's system now, and they've greatly improved the player personnel in a few areas. Add to that the hiring of Perry Pearn to bolster the special teams coaching, and I feel confident in saying that they'll challenge for the divisional title.

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I say: SE Division winners. Gotta have something to shoot for.

This team put a great push on at the end of the year, they suffered from a terrible start (that was caused by a multitude of reasons that won't be present this year), they're on board with Noel's system now, and they've greatly improved the player personnel in a few areas. Add to that the hiring of Perry Pearn to bolster the special teams coaching, and I feel confident in saying that they'll challenge for the divisional title.
I think many of the distractions of last year will not affect the Jets this year as well. Plus all the teams are in a state of disarray to some extent leveling the playing field. The question for me is the impact that playing in the SE has on the team in a compressed season? You need to win regardless but it does seem like rather more of a disadvantage in a compressed season than it normally would be.

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Last place? Seriously? NJ lost one of its best players, Mtl sucks, so does Toronto, no way that Ottawa repeats, Carolina is just not tht good. Good top line...nothing else. Washington downgraded, and Oates's offensive style will open up Holtby.

I highly doubt we are in LAST.
I have zero faith in Pavlec to be honest with you. But mostly its cause if you have such low expectations you can't help but be pleasantly surprised.

We'll see.

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I cant wait till the sked is out, do you guys think the travel (we may have most) with the quick turnaround between games will affect our record much?

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I have zero faith in Pavlec to be honest with you. But mostly its cause if you have such low expectations you can't help but be pleasantly surprised.

We'll see.
I'm not really sure what to say to that...

Lol...maybe?

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01-08-2013, 06:09 PM
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1. Pittsburgh
2. Toronto
3. Carolina
4. NYRangers
5. Philadelphia
6. Boston
7. Washington
8. Tampa Bay
9. Buffalo
10. New Jersey
11. Florida
12. Montreal
13. Winnipeg
14. NYI
15. Ottawa

6 points separating 6-13th

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01-08-2013, 06:40 PM
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1. Pittsburgh
2. Toronto
3. Carolina
4. NYRangers
5. Philadelphia
6. Boston
7. Washington
8. Tampa Bay
9. Buffalo
10. New Jersey
11. Florida
12. Montreal
13. Winnipeg
14. NYI
15. Ottawa

6 points separating 6-13th
Toronto in second? and ottawa in 15?

1.NYR
2.Carolina
3.Boston
4.Pitsburg
5.Washington
6 Philly
7. Jets
8. Ott

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I don't get the Carolina love. Good top 6 but the defence is mediocre at best and the bottom 6 has no depth. Washington should easily take the division, especially of Backstrom stays healty.

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Long Island may be thin on the blueline, but it might be time for young guys like Ty Wishart and Calvin De Haan to finally make an appearance, also, MacDonald has been progressing nicely, add in Carkner and Streit and who knows? It might be time for John Tavares and company to right the ship. As for the Canes, I think everyone's penciling them in waaaay to high up there, I mean, Alexander Semin remains a 7million dollar question if you ask me...but hey, in 48 games, if they get Staal and Staal cooking, it might just pay off anyway. I'm just so happy to be talking about this stuff again! #gameon
I just don't see it. The Islanders are in possibly the hardest division. They have arguably the three best teams in the entire conference (aside from Boston) as divisional rivals in Pittsburgh, NYR, and Philadelphia, and the other team made the Stanley Cup finals last year. They had an extremely uneventful offseason, adding Boyes and losing Paranteau. MacDonald from what I've heard from Islander fans is a bottom pairing d-man tops.

Frankly, the Islanders have one of the worst looking rosters. That team is Tavares and Streit.

Plus I don't understand the Semin hate. Never will. Guy puts up points and he'll be lighting it up in Carolina. Somehow Carkner, MacDonald, and De Haan are legitimate players, but Semin is chopped liver?

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01-09-2013, 12:21 AM
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The current Jets defense absolutely scares me, tbh.

Enstrom - fine.
Buff - is he in shape? Hope so. Can put up points, but also can be a minus on many nights.
Bogo - injured, may miss 1/2+ the season.
Hainsey - soft, and really not that good, anyway.
Stuart - a shot blocker.
Postma/Redmond/Clitsome - all pretty much untested or unproven.

That is not the d corps that puts the fear in the opposition, imo. Collectively, i don't see an improvement in our team defense, so goals against will likely be an issue again. Is our pk better? Is our pp better? Maybe our pp is a bit better, and we score a few more goals with Olli and Poni, but i don't see a huge improvement in the Jets play. Hope i'm wrong.

Predictions:

1. NYR - offense, defense, best goalie
2. Boston - balanced line-up, quality everywhere
3. Carolina - improved a pretty decent line-up
4. Pitt - Malkin, Crosby, Neal, Letang. That's enough for at least 4th place
5. Philly - quality pieces will be enough, even with goaltending questions.
6. Buffalo - Miller rebounds, FA moves from 2012 pay off this year.
7. Washington - lots of skill and decent tender.
8. Montreal - Price.

9. Ottawa - good hard working team, will push
10. TB - quality moves, tender will take time to establish himself as #1
11. Devils - have talent, but it's getting older.
12. Jets - defence, and defensive game, scares the crap out of me.
13. Florida - not enough talent to make it, or goaltending - though if they grab Luongo, different story.
14. Leafs - if don't trade for Luongo (make playoffs if they do, dropping Habs out)
15. NYI - this team is just plain bad. Taveres, Hamonic and that's it. Brutal.

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The good news, i see a top 5 pick in the draft as a real posibility.

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The current Jets defense absolutely scares me, tbh.

Enstrom - fine.
Buff - is he in shape? Hope so. Can put up points, but also can be a minus on many nights.
Bogo - injured, may miss 1/2+ the season.
Hainsey - soft, and really not that good, anyway.
Stuart - a shot blocker.
Postma/Redmond/Clitsome - all pretty much untested or unproven.

That is not the d corps that puts the fear in the opposition, imo. Collectively, i don't see an improvement in our team defense, so goals against will likely be an issue again. Is our pk better? Is our pp better? Maybe our pp is a bit better, and we score a few more goals with Olli and Poni, but i don't see a huge improvement in the Jets play. Hope i'm wrong.

Predictions:

1. NYR - offense, defense, best goalie
2. Boston - balanced line-up, quality everywhere
3. Carolina - improved a pretty decent line-up
4. Pitt - Malkin, Crosby, Neal, Letang. That's enough for at least 4th place
5. Philly - quality pieces will be enough, even with goaltending questions.
6. Buffalo - Miller rebounds, FA moves from 2012 pay off this year.
7. Washington - lots of skill and decent tender.
8. Montreal - Price.

9. Ottawa - good hard working team, will push
10. TB - quality moves, tender will take time to establish himself as #1
11. Devils - have talent, but it's getting older.
12. Jets - defence, and defensive game, scares the crap out of me.
13. Florida - not enough talent to make it, or goaltending - though if they grab Luongo, different story.
14. Leafs - if don't trade for Luongo (make playoffs if they do, dropping Habs out)
15. NYI - this team is just plain bad. Taveres, Hamonic and that's it. Brutal.

Edit:
The good news, i see a top 5 pick in the draft as a real posibility.

Luongo makes either Florida or Toronto substantially better too , imo.

A top 5 pick wouldn't make the season great but it would be best long term for the Jets.

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Luongo makes either Florida or Toronto substantially better too , imo.

A top 5 pick wouldn't make the season great but it would be best long term for the Jets.
Agreed.

If the Jets push for a playoff spot, great. I hope so, but unless the D play much better, I don't see it.

So, if we don't make the playoffs, walking away from the draft with a top 5 player, (perhaps a drouin, barkov, shinkaruk or lindholm), that may ease my disappointment a little.

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The wild card for the Jets seems to be away victories. Assuming they continue to play well at home, they will need to have a better record on the road.

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The wild card for the Jets seems to be away victories. Assuming they continue to play well at home, they will need to have a better record on the road.
It's not about home fan support, it's about getting the last line change. Last year, Winnipeg had one genuine 1st/2nd line. They had a 3rd line playing as 2nd, and a 4th playing as 3rd. When the opposing team got the last line change, we were screwed. This year we'll have more than 1 line, so we shouldn't be as badly outmatched on line changes on the road, and will hopefully see better results on the road.

An interesting strategy might be starting the season a few AHL tweeners plus Mark Schiefele, who will all be in mid-season form. Let 3 "regulars" be "healthy scratches", whilst they work their way back into shape. After about 9 or 10 games (3 weeks or so) we can return to a more regular lineup once all the regulars are in shape. A good start, versus last season's atrocious start, could be the difference to making it into the playoffs.

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Toronto in second? and ottawa in 15?

1.NYR
2.Carolina
3.Boston
4.Pitsburg
5.Washington
6 Philly
7. Jets
8. Ott
Well they did Fire Burke, Tor, only team that rebuilds from the top->down.

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It's not about home fan support, it's about getting the last line change. Last year, Winnipeg had one genuine 1st/2nd line. They had a 3rd line playing as 2nd, and a 4th playing as 3rd. When the opposing team got the last line change, we were screwed. This year we'll have more than 1 line, so we shouldn't be as badly outmatched on line changes on the road, and will hopefully see better results on the road.

An interesting strategy might be starting the season a few AHL tweeners plus Mark Schiefele, who will all be in mid-season form. Let 3 "regulars" be "healthy scratches", whilst they work their way back into shape. After about 9 or 10 games (3 weeks or so) we can return to a more regular lineup once all the regulars are in shape. A good start, versus last season's atrocious start, could be the difference to making it into the playoffs.
I agree with you conceptually but minor detail I'd say...

Last season
high-end 2nd line (that can beat tough minutes)
low-end 2nd line (that can score)
decent 4th line (but needs to be sheltered but unfortunately used as shutdown)
revolving door of AHLers

high-end offensive 1st pair (that was really cut down to ~35 games together)
avg defensive 2nd pair (but had dangerous offensive bite with Bogo, but Stuart's hurt here)
regular defensive 3rd pair

This season (baring major injuries and with Bogo's return)
high-end 2nd line (that can beat tough minutes)
high-end 2nd line (that can score almost as fast if as any 1st line)
high-end 3rd line (as a whole may be one of top 5 3rd lines, great offensive punch with strong D)
avg 4th line

high-end offensive 1st pair (hopefully more games together)
avg defensive 2nd pair (keep Stuart out and watch a healed Bogo get'er done)
regular defensive 3rd pair

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It's not about home fan support, it's about getting the last line change. Last year, Winnipeg had one genuine 1st/2nd line. They had a 3rd line playing as 2nd, and a 4th playing as 3rd. When the opposing team got the last line change, we were screwed. This year we'll have more than 1 line, so we shouldn't be as badly outmatched on line changes on the road, and will hopefully see better results on the road.

An interesting strategy might be starting the season a few AHL tweeners plus Mark Schiefele, who will all be in mid-season form. Let 3 "regulars" be "healthy scratches", whilst they work their way back into shape. After about 9 or 10 games (3 weeks or so) we can return to a more regular lineup once all the regulars are in shape. A good start, versus last season's atrocious start, could be the difference to making it into the playoffs.
Line match ups are important, don't want to downplay that, but maybe we were outcoached a bit at times last year as well. I can remember some pretty wonky line match-ups that didn't work in our favor, and really had no chance to work out in our favor. The last change can really impact a key faceoff, but teams quickly change to get the match-up they want after the faceoff.

So it speaks to the depth of talent we had last year, no doubt. We simply couldn't afford to not worry about line match-ups as other teams can.

But i also think the team fed off the electric atmosphere of MTS Center. Imo, that was a key factor. Being harder to play against will also help the road record. Work is still needed there, imo.

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Well after viewing various games so far and watching the flow of some of the teams this is my early prediction:

Got to put it on the thread so I can check at the end of the short season


K sorry I wasnt doing a proper ranking let me do a redux

AD

1 Rangers
2 Flyers
3 Pitts
4 Devils
5 Isls

ND

1 Boston
2 Buff
3 Sens
3 Canadians
4 Toronto

SD

1 Tampa
2 Caps
3 Carolina
4 Florida
5 Winnipeg

Overall
1. Rangers
2. Boston
3. Tampa
4. flyers
5. pitts
6. caps
7. devils
8. Sabres
9. carolina
10. sens
11. florida
12. montreal
13. winnipeg
14. islanders
15. toronto


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Well after viewing various games so far and watching the flow of some of the teams this is my early prediction:

Got to put it on the thread so I can check at the end of the short season

1 NYR
2 FLYERS
3 PITTS
4 Tampa
5 Boston
6 Caps
7 Devils
8 Sabres
9 Carolina
10 Sens
11 Florida
12 Montreal
13 Winnipeg
14 Islanders
15 Toronto
Aside from the fact that the 1-2-3 spots are for three separate divisions there is no way that the three top point teams are gong to come from the same division.

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I see us in the 12-15 Spot

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one stat mentioned in todays game i think says a lot

Ottawa had the most active players during the lockout. we had the fewest.

Add this to a sub-par D group to start the season and i have a feeling were going to have a slow start. which might just sink us in this short season

id say were 11th again

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If Jets do take the southeast can you imagine what a trivia stumper that would be in 15 years?

Anyhow, here goes:
1 Pittsburgh
2 Boston
3 Washington
4 Rangers
5 Philadelphia
6 New Jersey
7 Ottawa
8 Winnipeg
9 Buffalo
10 Tampa Bay
11 Carolina
12 Florida
13 Toronto
14 Montreal
15 Islanders

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Current line-up will need changes for the Jets to be playoff contenter, imo. Adding Bogo at some point will help, but there is alot of work to do with the forwards before we are challenging some of the other teams.

Thinking about yesterday's game, it became clear that Karlsson, Spezza, Alfie, and Machalek are just better players than what we have. Buff held his own and Enstrom is fine, but on forward they looked lost, out-of-shape and very much ineffective.

Holden had asked the question a while ago whether this current core (especially at forward) was indeed playoff contender material, and i have to agree, they looked far from that yesterday.

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I say: SE Division winners. Gotta have something to shoot for.

This team put a great push on at the end of the year, they suffered from a terrible start (that was caused by a multitude of reasons that won't be present this year), they're on board with Noel's system now, and they've greatly improved the player personnel in a few areas. Add to that the hiring of Perry Pearn to bolster the special teams coaching, and I feel confident in saying that they'll challenge for the divisional title.
After watching the first day of games, Jets winning the SE is a pipe dream. Florida looks dynamite this season. Huberdeau is going to finally give that team the ability to score consistently, something they lacked last season. Theodore looks great at the goal. With the Hurricanes it's only a matter of time before their moves at the deadline start to payoff. Lightning improved a lot since last season relative to us and Capitals will be tough as always. To be honest I see us ending 4th-5th in the SE

1. Penguins
2. Bruins
3. Panthers
4. Rangers
5. Hurricanes
6. Senators
7. Flyers
8. Sabres
9. Capitals
10. Devils
11. Lightning
12. Leafs
13. Canadiens
14. Jets
15. Islanders

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After watching the first day of games, Jets winning the SE is a pipe dream. Florida looks dynamite this season. Huberdeau is going to finally give that team the ability to score consistently, something they lacked last season. Theodore looks great at the goal. With the Hurricanes it's only a matter of time before their moves at the deadline start to payoff. Lightning improved a lot since last season relative to us and Capitals will be tough as always. To be honest I see us ending 4th-5th in the SE

1. Penguins
2. Bruins
3. Panthers
4. Rangers
5. Hurricanes
6. Senators
7. Flyers
8. Sabres
9. Capitals
10. Devils
11. Lightning
12. Leafs
13. Canadiens
14. Jets
15. Islanders
Because Carolina and Washington looked really good yesterday right? Plus those Lightning looked awful too.

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