For some reason i highly doubt the Luongo deal is done to Toronto. Im the biggest skeptic of this trade. If Luongo retires at 40 the leafs will have an additional 2m on the cap for 3 years. This (IMO) would drive Burke nuts. I don't feel that Vancouver needs to make this deal right now. Why not wait until the end of the season? With Kesler down, wouldn't a fantastic goalie tandem help the team more then Bozak? Also there is always the trade deadline. No need to rush this thing, unless of course Toronto is by some miracle giving up a kings ransom.
So you think he wouldn't acquire an elite goalie because of a 2M cap penalty 6 years from now? I doubt 2M that far down the road would make a differnce for Burke if it meant a solid chance at the playoffs for the next 3+ years.
I think Gillis realizes that he can get greater value for Luongo with 1 extra season left on his deal while he's in his prime years. Combine that with the fact that the Canucks have a couple holes in their lineup, it seems like the right time to make a move.
Originally Posted by Oates2Neely
Luongo is a good goalie, but garddang that contract is loooooong. Acquiring Lou pretty much means goodbye Reimer. Burke would totally be giving up on the kid. BB would be wiser to acquire a vet on a short term deal. Let Reimer observe.
I don't get this line of thinking. Say Reimer pulls a Schneider 3 years from now, and Luongo is still playing well enough to be a good starter on most teams. Don't you think we could move him again? Maybe not for much value, but there should be a market for him if he can perform. And in case he choses to retire (highly unlikely if he is starter material), it would impose a 1M penalty for 6 years. While the term is long, the $ amount isn't that bad, especially if the cap rises.
There are risks involved, but in my opinion, the benefits outweigh them.
One thing to keep in mind is that a deal doesn't necessarily have to meet Vancouver's needs in itself. Obviously the market for Luongo isn't huge, so if you can't get what you'd like for him, maybe you try to get good assets for him that other teams would like and fill your needs in a separate deal. I'm not too high on most of the Toronto proposals, but a guy like Kadri, or some of the other prospects/picks mentioned in a deal, might be enticing to someone looking to make a deal at the deadline for an actual upgrade for this season.
Interesting thought. In a lot of these proposals Vancouver fans are looking to fill all their holes either immediately or in the future which Toronto likely can't do. If Gillis takes some value for Luongo and the value of a reduced cap, he may be able to make a follow up trade or two to fill those holes instead.
Its a thought anyway. Probably work out better for teams like Toronto and Florida, IMO. If Gillis can find a partner that can and is willing to trade pieces to fill the holes, then by all means he should go for it but in the event that he doesn't this might be an alternative.
And for those saying "we'll just keep him", yeah that might work for this season. Might even be a good idea. The problem is, how long will Luongo be content to stay? I know he said he'd do what is best for the team but he still thought it was time to move on. I'm by no means in the know here but Gillis has to try to move him as per his request I would think...eventually.
Another issue is that if he is held until the offseason, what does that do for his market if other goalies become available? Obviously none are as good as Robby Lulu, but it might take a team like say Toronto out of the running if they sign a stop gap to support Reimer, for example?
Originally Posted by Imagine17
wow how often do you need to say this in the thread? How is crap like this useful in ANYWAY?
No offense to Phion, but its not useful. That said, its about as useful as the "Toronto sucks so they should pay more" statements and the "Komisarek for Luongo" statements.
Or statements like this:
Originally Posted by Vancouver_2010
You are right, Gardiner would be an overpayment for Ballard, only players like Luongo can get him, Gardiner, Kadri and 1 st is enough.
Yeah, that's ridiculous. I thought we were past that.
If I understand correctly the board of governors will allow teams and agents to officially negotiate after the meeting today but no signings and trades can happen until after the players ratify the new CBA.