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12-31-2012, 06:34 PM
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He was bad last season too. He turned it up a notch in the playoffs, but that' still two seasons where he's playing subpar.

JPP is the one who gets held and gets two players on him. Where the **** was Tuck? I see nothing to be lead to believe this guy can once again be a force.
I agree, but as you said last year he was great in the playoffs. I agree he was awful this year, and one of the reasons JPP had entire lines suffocating him, but this is a guy who's been big in two SB runs. The Giants aren't a franchise that operates like that, they wouldn't cut him. I was hoping he would retire but whatever. This'll be his last year as a Giant.

edit- Also, bad years make me realize how obnoxious sports fans can be. I don't mean here but lots of Giants blogs are nearly unreadable with people saying Eli is not a franchise QB like Bob Griffin III is and how Jerry Reese is a subpar GM.


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Perry Fewell is not even getting a Rooney Rule interview from teams.

Ugh. We're stuck with this guy.

Here's hoping the Seahawks can lock down the Skins today.

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Perry Fewell is not even getting a Rooney Rule interview from teams.

Ugh. We're stuck with this guy.

Here's hoping the Seahawks can lock down the Skins today.
Neither is Gilbride.

Just the pill gets more jagged when you hear that they still will be committed to Tuck (Which we talked about before) and..*sigh*..Webster.

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Wow.

Leave it to the Redskins to drive their franchise QB ROTY to the ground.

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Wow.

Leave it to the Redskins to drive their franchise QB ROTY to the ground.
Yeah, that looked brutal.

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There goes the Skins' franchise right down the gutter.

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There goes the Skins' franchise right down the gutter.
Why did you make Don Fehr your avatar?

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RGIII undergoing total knee reconstructive surgery this morning. Recovery time? 6-8 months.

Now the Nationals don't look so stupid.

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RGIII undergoing total knee reconstructive surgery this morning. Recovery time? 6-8 months.

Now the Nationals don't look so stupid.
I fail to see how the two situations are at all synonymous.

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RGIII undergoing total knee reconstructive surgery this morning. Recovery time? 6-8 months.

Now the Nationals don't look so stupid.
Can't believe Skins fans are supporting the decision to play him, even though any non-delusional person watching that game realizes he was in no shape to start.

A lot of the Skins fans I talked to believe it was more important to win the game. They're insane.

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To be fair, how bad was Cutler ripped a few years ago when he was riding a bike on the sideline during the NFC championship game? Can't have it both ways.

IMO, when RG3 hit the bricks in the 3rd quarter Shanahan should've went to Cousins. But that's hindsight. If they had won we'd be heralding RG3 as a playoff warrior.

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To be fair, how bad was Cutler ripped a few years ago when he was riding a bike on the sideline during the NFC championship game? Can't have it both ways.

IMO, when RG3 hit the bricks in the 3rd quarter Shanahan should've went to Cousins. But that's hindsight. If they had won we'd be heralding RG3 as a playoff warrior.
No way. I'd be heralding the Skins as stupid and their fans as delusional, just as I am now. Letting your franchise QB blow his knee up to win a playoff game? Insane.

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I fail to see how the two situations are at all synonymous.
Well, they're a little similar in my mind in the sense that one DC team, despite making the playoffs, decided not to push their franchise player; while the other went for it right away.

RGIII clearly wasn't 100% and the 'Skins had no problem pushing him to the absolute limit. On the other hand, the Nationals took their time with Strasburg, kept him healthy and kept him fresh.

Football and baseball are apples and oranges, but I think this comparison isn't too far-fetched. At least in my mind.

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Well, they're a little similar in my mind in the sense that one DC team, despite making the playoffs, decided not to push their franchise player; while the other went for it right away.

RGIII clearly wasn't 100% and the 'Skins had no problem pushing him to the absolute limit. On the other hand, the Nationals took their time with Strasburg, kept him healthy and kept him fresh.

Football and baseball are apples and oranges, but I think this comparison isn't too far-fetched. At least in my mind.
They're two completely different games. There are things the Nationals could have done to make sure they had Strasburg in the playoffs (limit his pitch count, go to a six-man rotation, etc.). Baseball is also not a contact sport so you can't compare the way two teams in to different teams treat a young, star player.

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They're two completely different games. There are things the Nationals could have done to make sure they had Strasburg in the playoffs (limit his pitch count, go to a six-man rotation, etc.). Baseball is also not a contact sport so you can't compare the way two teams in to different teams treat a young, star player.
I don't think it's unreasonable to compare the situations. It just boils down to being super-cautious with your franchise player, or taking a bit more of a gamble. I don't think you need to look at any facts beyond that.

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I don't think it's unreasonable to compare the situations. It just boils down to being super-cautious with your franchise player, or taking a bit more of a gamble. I don't think you need to look at any facts beyond that.
The contact sport vs. non-contact sport is the difference maker to me. There's a threat of injury every snap. That risk goes up when you're a mobile QB. The question is was RG3 hurt prior to the game. Strasburg was by all accounts healthy when he was shut down.

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The contact sport vs. non-contact sport is the difference maker to me. There's a threat of injury every snap. That risk goes up when you're a mobile QB. The question is was RG3 hurt prior to the game. Strasburg was by all accounts healthy when he was shut down.
Strasburg was healthy, but empirical data shows that a player is significantly more vulnerable to further injury when coming off surgery and with limited career innings under his belt. So while he was technically healthy, it can really be viewed as a continued recovery from injury. I agreed with the decision to limit his innings--if the historical record shows that there's a good chance he gets hurt further, even if he's healthy, it would be foolish to ignore that. I agree though that there were other ways they could have handled it, rather than pitching him regularly and then shutting him down.

I disagree with Griffin's handling. The decision to start him was okay in my book--if he did in fact play without any limitations in practice--but once he began displaying signs of discomfort he needed to come out. It's not hindsight, either. I recall saying to my Redskins-fan fiancee after his QB-keeper in (I think) the 3rd quarter, "This is ridiculous, they're going to ruin this guy." That was when he was barely able to limp over to the sideline on his scramble. The Redskins, despite their torrid finish, are/were not in "win now" mode. You can't jeopardize your future for one playoff game like that. Not when it should have been clear to every non-Redskins-homer that Griffin was hurt.

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Strasburg was healthy, but empirical data shows that a player is significantly more vulnerable to further injury when coming off surgery and with limited career innings under his belt. So while he was technically healthy, it can really be viewed as a continued recovery from injury. I agreed with the decision to limit his innings--if the historical record shows that there's a good chance he gets hurt further, even if he's healthy, it would be foolish to ignore that. I agree though that there were other ways they could have handled it, rather than pitching him regularly and then shutting him down.

I disagree with Griffin's handling. The decision to start him was okay in my book--if he did in fact play without any limitations in practice--but once he began displaying signs of discomfort he needed to come out. It's not hindsight, either. I recall saying to my Redskins-fan fiancee after his QB-keeper in (I think) the 3rd quarter, "This is ridiculous, they're going to ruin this guy." That was when he was barely able to limp over to the sideline on his scramble. The Redskins, despite their torrid finish, are/were not in "win now" mode. You can't jeopardize your future for one playoff game like that. Not when it should have been clear to every non-Redskins-homer that Griffin was hurt.
My condolences.

I agree, though. Even if he was cleared to start, when he was literally limping to run it should've been game over for him. Instead, Shanahan let him ruin his knee.

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This is exactly why I didn't fear Bob Griffin coming into our division all that much. Amazing player but his style is going to kill him. He doesn't have the massive frames a la Cam Newton/Andrew Luck to handle that kind of punishment.

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One thing Griffin has on his side is that he has the presence, vision and accuracy to become a good pocket passer as well. I don't think he needs tremendous mobility to thrive in the league. He's in trouble if his knees make him Vinny Testaverde, but that's a long ways away.

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