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Subban to re-sign with Montreal soon?

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01-09-2013, 09:07 AM
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He's more likely to get Darren Dreger money.

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01-09-2013, 09:07 AM
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I love subban but he doesn't deserve more then 5m a year ... He not as good as Myers for now and he got 5.5 m ... If he's asking for 7m then he's drunk or something !! Don't get me wrong I really like subban but we need to be realistic here

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01-09-2013, 09:16 AM
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He's the 59-pt season off Doughty. The rest would have lined up ok, maybe, but that's a big omission in his resume. Arguably, it could be partially balanced out with extra "hazard pay" and tax premium that Habs contracts sometimes command. But it still can't conceivably add up to a $7M figure.

I do think he'll match Doughty at some point, however... so to me it's nuts if he pushes so hard right now for a long term deal when he can't sensibly ask for that much. The short term bridge at the numbers he has earned ($4-5M) would seem smarter to me, then he ought to be good to go for the Doughty contract to start 2014-15, probably (/hopefully).

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01-09-2013, 09:17 AM
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I love subban but he doesn't deserve more then 5m a year ... He not as good as Myers for now and he got 5.5 m ... If he's asking for 7m then he's drunk or something !! Don't get me wrong I really like subban but we need to be realistic here
I think he is just as good as Myers

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01-09-2013, 09:26 AM
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Subban won't get it. Doughty's proven himself as a legit 1st pairing guy. Right now Subban looks like a very good 2nd pairing defenseman.

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01-09-2013, 09:31 AM
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I just don't see a way that these 2 sides come to a long term agreement. Subban's ego is substantially larger than his talent level, and as a result I can't see him agreeing to a long term deal that doesn't pay him big money. Meanwhile, I just don't see it as a good idea for the Habs to sign him to that type of deal.

Perhaps, the best option would be for a 1 or 2 year bridge deal where the risk is substantially lower.

That being said, one would think that Subban's representatives realize that the Habs are going to be desperate to get a deal done quickly, and use the threat of a 7-day time period from ratification to puck drop into making a deal that they'll regret almost immediately. Perhaps, holding out and refusing to negotiate anything less than a 3 year deal, might be the right call for Subban. His reputation as a me-first player can't really get any worse, and eventually the Habs are going to realize that they need him in the lineup.

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01-09-2013, 09:40 AM
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Subban won't get it. Doughty's proven himself as a legit 1st pairing guy. Right now Subban looks like a very good 2nd pairing defenseman.

Subban is a first pairing defenceman. He can play first PK/PP and against the other team best lines. He log 25 minutes per games last year(20th NHL).

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Subban won't get it. Doughty's proven himself as a legit 1st pairing guy. Right now Subban looks like a very good 2nd pairing defenseman.
Well, he'd be good on the 2nd pairing if we still had Robinson, Savard, and Lapointe maybe. But those days are soooo long gone, alas. He's easily first pairing in the modern NHL, no doubt about that. But he has to put up bigger offensive numbers to get more than $5M per. He was slow off the hop and struggled too much on the PP for that to have happened last year. The rest of his game was there. But the points weren't. They'll get there, I believe. But the Habs don't seem to have much of a track record of paying guys based on "belief"... they reward them just fine once they do hit the performance levels, however.

I guess as long as the cap tagging doesn't preclude a $5-5-6-6-7-7-7-7M structure for a Subban deal, I'd personally feel comfortable that he'd earn it. That's $50M/8yrs or $6.25M cap. A shade under Price. But one step less proven, however, and I just don't recall the Habs doing "faith" raises of that magnitude before. It's new management and relatively new ownership too, however, so who knows.

I don't think the Habs will feel too pressured to settle, though, if there is a fundamental divide. It's a short season and hopes aren't so high in Habdom, there really isn't fan expectation to win or anything. The $$$ tick down pretty quckly in an ~100 day pay season for players this year, so if it drags out, Subban will lose money at a pretty rapid pace too.

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01-09-2013, 09:48 AM
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01-09-2013, 09:56 AM
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Subban won't get it. Doughty's proven himself as a legit 1st pairing guy. Right now Subban looks like a very good 2nd pairing defenseman.
Their is only 17 defenseman who average more ice time than him last season.

6 of them had a worst +-
6 of them had less points

He had a +9 rating on a last place team.

13 pts in his last 20 games and +8.

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Subban won't get it. Doughty's proven himself as a legit 1st pairing guy. Right now Subban looks like a very good 2nd pairing defenseman.
Clearly you have never seen Subban play. He's a 1st pairing dman...it can't even be argued.

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01-09-2013, 10:15 AM
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Subban will NOT be paid more than Carey Price in any scenario for MTL. It just won't happen, and could not be justified by MB.

Look for a bridge contract where he'll need to rise to one of the best defensemen in the game if he wants to earn more than Price.

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01-09-2013, 10:17 AM
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If he wants bigger bucks, he is better off taking the usual Habs 2-year deal, and then showing more improvement over the next couple fo seasons. 2 years - $9M sounds about right.

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PK is no DD, BUT if there is truth that MTL is giving him 4, he at least gets 5, I was think 5.5 for maybe 5-6 years.

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01-09-2013, 10:44 AM
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If its true lets trade him for Evander Kane or Jamie Benn
Maybe Kane if you add, but all PK does is get Dallas to accept your call on Benn.

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01-09-2013, 10:51 AM
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Habs will get him locked up, no doubt in my mind. I also call BS that's he's asking for doughty money. Subban is an intelligent man and most likely knows he isn't worth that.

Something along the lines of 6m if its long term, 5m if its a shorter contract.

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01-09-2013, 10:59 AM
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Maybe Kane if you add, but all PK does is get Dallas to accept your call on Benn.
You think Kane hold more value then Pk Subban? can i ask why?

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There are some Montreal fans who believe he is a "generational talent". Time to put your money where your mouth is.
Stongly disagree with this. Having a couple fans on the hockey board talking about his potential does not justify a ridiculous contract.

IMO - PK has looked good and has top pair potential. That's similar to guys like John Carlson or the like. If the Habs only want a 2 year contract - the Doughty comparison is way off base.

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01-09-2013, 11:20 AM
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Should be looking to the Myers/Tavares deals for a comparable...

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didn't that originally start from a dreger tweet yesterday? dreger generally, somewhat, knows his ****, but if i had a dollar for every ******** habs-related rumor he put out, i'd be like scrooge, diving in money in my own titanic-sized bank vault...

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Yeah right, he won't get close to Doughty money, especially considering the new CBA. 5m/year TOPS.

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You think Kane hold more value then Pk Subban? can i ask why?
That's a loaded question in here lol. I like the power forward style of player a lot, and I think at 21 he's already hit numbers that are eye opening. 30 goals on a Winnipeg team that isn't fully 'there' yet = big, big numbers as he gets older and matures. Meanwhile, Subban plays in all situations, but is viewed as a bit of a pain in the behind around the league (don't shoot the messenger here, I'm not the only one I'm sure). So, is the swap a 1 for 1? No IMO, I think the Habs would have to add personally.

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Ya right PK

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I think John Carlson is a good comparison to subban ... Same kind of player!! Carlson got 3.96m if subban get over 4m per for 2 year then MB ad no choice to sign !! If subban ask too much put him on the market ... Get a guy like Kane .. Or something else but if he's really asking for 7 get him out of mtl ASAP

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