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01-09-2013, 11:44 AM
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Given the very strange timing, my first instinct is that the higher-ups want Luongo and Burke doesn't. Or that whatever direction his "goalie search" is headed in is not the right one.

Very weird.
That's really the only explanation. You don't fire your GM a week before a shortened season without something going on behind the scenes.

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01-09-2013, 11:45 AM
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Perhaps its the case but what message does that send to the goalies they currently have? "We don't trust these goalies enough to have you fired". Ouch.
Well to be honest if they want to make a push at the playoffs they're not going to make it with Scrivens or Reimer. A deal for Luongo makes so much sense for the Leafs.

Maybe it's a player that he doesn't want to give up in exchange and upper management said to do it anyways, guess we will know more in a few days/weeks

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01-09-2013, 11:46 AM
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That's really the only explanation. You don't fire your GM a week before a shortened season without something going on behind the scenes.
They had all summer + 3 months of lockout, something definitely went wrong here in these last couple of days

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01-09-2013, 11:47 AM
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You can argue that the future looks brighter, but that's what they've said about the Leafs for a decade now. Until the results are there, it doesn't mean much.
Exactly.

And really that ''bright'' future is still questionable:

Colborne looks like a bust. His AHL numbers have been constantly underwhelming.

Kadri remains a question mark. He may just be a soft 2nd liner.

Ashton isn't showing a ton of offence.

People love to fawn over Frattin...who just turned 25 years old. BFD that's he dominating the AHL. He should be.

Biggs looks like a 3rd liner.

Percy and Finn are probably #3-#4 D's. Every team has some of these type of prospects.

The gems they have are Gardiner and Rielly. And Kessel. MAYBE JVR. No #1 C and no #1 G.

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01-09-2013, 11:49 AM
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Well to be honest if they want to make a push at the playoffs they're not going to make it with Scrivens or Reimer. A deal for Luongo makes so much sense for the Leafs.

Maybe it's a player that he doesn't want to give up in exchange and upper management said to do it anyways, guess we will know more in a few days/weeks
I agree 100% but if this is the conflict, it seems very reactionary. It's not like Luongo got traded and leafs missed out. A deal can still be made for all we know if Reimer doesn't do Burke's praise justice. I'm just surprised this would happen the way it has.

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01-09-2013, 11:49 AM
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http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../19841851.html

Interesting article someone posted on the main board. Even though it says Burke wouldn't be fired or stepping down over whatever these "personal issues" are...maybe it played a part?

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01-09-2013, 11:51 AM
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I'd imagine since he has a pulse, he's interested. Just about every higher-up not currently holding a GM position (and maybe some that are) will be gunning for that spot.
I ask the question 'cause where did we read that he was NOT interested in a GM position.

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01-09-2013, 11:52 AM
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J. Ferguson: 4 years, 4 months (-1.0 lockout year) ---- 162-123-43 - 92pt pace
Brian Burke: 4 years, 2 months (-0.5 lockout year) ---- 136-144-48 - 80pt pace

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01-09-2013, 11:54 AM
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Unfair statistic tbh. JFJ just signed players to NTC deals and stocked up and didnt make playoffs anyway. At least Burke has some youth and manageable contracts. Also, Sundin skews stats.

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Please continue being a mess Leafs management.

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01-09-2013, 11:57 AM
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I dunno, but the team is in much better shape than it was when he picked it up. Am I wrong here? Im pretty sure they are a playoff team this season.
In a short season a lot of random stuff can happen but they weren't close last year and didn't make major improvements in the off-season. They went -33 on the year, 5th worse in the league which is a huge hill to climb. I really doubt they make it unless they trade for Luongo who goes .930 for 75% of their games and even they it would be iffy.

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01-09-2013, 11:58 AM
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Unfair statistic tbh. JFJ just signed players to NTC deals and stocked up and didnt make playoffs anyway. At least Burke has some youth and manageable contracts. Also, Sundin skews stats.
It's not unfair, it's the cold hard facts. You can spend all day building a case for one or the other but the only thing that matters in the end are the results. Burke went into a situation that couldn't have gotten any worse and made it worse.

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Wow did not see this coming.

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01-09-2013, 11:59 AM
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Exactly.

And really that ''bright'' future is still questionable:

Colborne looks like a bust. His AHL numbers have been constantly underwhelming.

Kadri remains a question mark. He may just be a soft 2nd liner.

Ashton isn't showing a ton of offence.

People love to fawn over Frattin...who just turned 25 years old. BFD that's he dominating the AHL. He should be.

Biggs looks like a 3rd liner.

Percy and Finn are probably #3-#4 D's. Every team has some of these type of prospects.

The gems they have are Gardiner and Rielly. And Kessel. MAYBE JVR. No #1 C and no #1 G.
To be fair, those players are all better than what the leafs did have before then. Remember when Robbie Earl was their top prospects ?

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Unfair statistic tbh. JFJ just signed players to NTC deals and stocked up and didnt make playoffs anyway. At least Burke has some youth and manageable contracts. Also, Sundin skews stats.
Iirc the Leafs made the playoffs JFJ's first 2 years.

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01-09-2013, 12:00 PM
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So what kind of legacy does Burke leave behind in Toronto? Came into a losing team and left with a losing team.

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So what kind of legacy does Burke leave behind in Toronto? Came into a losing team and left with a losing team.
As someone said on the main board in response to a similar question: "Playoff games = 0".

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01-09-2013, 12:02 PM
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It's not unfair, it's the cold hard facts. You can spend all day building a case for one or the other but the only thing that matters in the end are the results. Burke went into a situation that couldn't have gotten any worse and made it worse.
So you feel JFJ having a HHOF player isn't worth much? Kaberle in his prime as well. Look, there's no doubt BB made promises and did not keep them but comparing JFJ to Burke by that use isnt exactly fair. Maybe if JFJ didn't trade Rask for Raycroft Burke would've had a competent goalie to actually make playoffs with. I'm not a leafs fan and I think burke has left a lot to be desired but numbers aren't everything.

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01-09-2013, 12:03 PM
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Just to throw this out, take it for what its worth but the bloodshed in leaf land has the potential to not be over yet! lol

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I realize this is VERY speculative, but told by a source Randy Carlyle is "not exactly safe". I trust this source impeccably.

Getting rid of burke atm is a mess, but doing it to the coach? on such short notice? they can't be THAT stupid.... can they?

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01-09-2013, 12:04 PM
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wtf....guys leafs fan coming in peace...but wtf...randy carlye not safe as well

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So you feel JFJ having a HHOF player isn't worth much? Kaberle in his prime as well. Look, there's no doubt BB made promises and did not keep them but comparing JFJ to Burke by that use isnt exactly fair. Maybe if JFJ didn't trade Rask for Raycroft Burke would've had a competent goalie to actually make playoffs with. I'm not a leafs fan and I think burke has left a lot to be desired but numbers aren't everything.
Maybe the numbers aren't everything, but they're all that really matters in a GM's tenure. JFJ had advantages Burke didn't have. Burke had advantages that JFJ didn't have. The team was a mess when JFJ got fired and it's a mess now with Burke fired. But at least you could argue JFJ had the numbers on his side. Burke didn't and now, for one reason or another, he's out of a job.

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01-09-2013, 12:10 PM
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wtf....guys leafs fan coming in peace...but wtf...randy carlye not safe as well
As much as I hate the Leafs, why can't you guys get away from meddling owners?

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