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01-09-2013, 03:25 PM
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appears the Gardiner love is almost as crazy as the Schultz love.

since when did we all fall head over heals for this kid?

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If this Gardiner + Kadri rumour turns out to be true. I'm done as a Leafs fan.

Management stepping in and pretending they know anything about hockey and forcing player decisions is despicable.

Done. Over. Burning my jersey's. **** hockey.
I will join you man. I have been through enough and quite frankly trading Gardiner is not the right move at all.

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same man ... so ****ing pissed
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x 2
It's a disgrace. What kind of franchise are we going to be when the primary motive of the team is just to get people talking about them for the "aw and shock" factor? Forget reason or accountability, let's just create a buzz.

They better not mess this up.

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If the Leafs make the playoffs this year, will you tune in? It's an honest question. I think the Leafs have a solid base and a solid farm, but they lack two big pieces, a solid starter and a #1 center. Luongo would give them that goalie and they could conceivably acquire that center this off-season and be a very good team. Would seem silly to abandon your team because they are trying to improve.
No. SO what, we need a #1 center then? Let's trade Rielly and a first for Jerome Iginla and be completely screwed for ANOTHER 8 years.

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None of us are saying Luongo isn't good, we're saying we don't want to deal Gardiner.

I suppose the right response would be "it will be funny to see the Nuck's miss the playoffs because they dealt Luongo"...no?
I was referring to the Jersey burning and renouncing fandom and such, regardless of the price paid.

Even if the Leafs lose in a landslide, any Leafs fan would cheer for them in the playoffs no matter how badly they got burned.

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I'd laugh so hard if he still ended up in FLA.
I'd prefer it.

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I will join you man. I have been through enough and quite frankly trading Gardiner is not the right move at all.
I'll burn all my jersey on my street and invite youtube to come by and film it

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Toronto at LD:

Phaneuf(offensive, assuming Carlyle makes good on switching him over)
Gunnarsson
Liles(offensive)
Gardiner(offensive)
Rielly(potential, offensive)
Percy(potential)
Finn(potential, offensive)
Yes its a position of strength. Doesn't mean trading our best young defender is a good idea.

Also, I believe Gunnarsson can play either side.

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Lets not begin trolling VanKiller because we know that outside of making the playoffs the goal is to win the cup and it's difficult to argue the Leafs would be ready to make that step with Luongo. Leafs fans want the organization to build a perennial powerhouse, not a playoff bubble team with an aging tender
33-34 is not old in goaltending years. Luongo can likely still be elite for the next 5 seasons.

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While not ideal, either he or Edler could then be flipped for an impact forward. I'd also be fine with Lupul or JVR being the target.
Gardiner is not a guy you play and develop on your third pairing. You have no need for him. Plus you also have Ballard. I would think Canucks would have more use for Franson. While not as valuable, who do you have on your RD right now:

Bieksa
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appears the Gardiner love is almost as crazy as the Schultz love.

since when did we all fall head over heals for this kid?
since hes had one of the best rookie seasons as a Leafs D since Kaberle?

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Toronto at LD:

Phaneuf(offensive, assuming Carlyle makes good on switching him over)
Gunnarsson
Liles(offensive)
Gardiner(offensive)
Rielly(potential, offensive)
Percy(potential)
Finn(potential, offensive)
If Phaneuf is moved to LD do you know what our depth chart looks like at RD? Komisarek, Holzer and only God knows who else beyond that. Besides, half of the guys you mentioned are entirely potential and how often does potential reach it's peak? The Leafs simply aren't ready to be dealing high-value futures for insta-help. We don't want another bubble team

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He's corporate advisor, not hockey advisor...
No, he's not. It is just a title used to throw some extra severance money Burke's way. Plus as someone else mentioned, it's a smart PR move.

It is a baseless title, it happens all the time in big business. Burke no longer has any dealings with Leafs operations.

Even Bobby Mac laughed off the notion of the "senior advisor" role. Is everyone here a bunch of truck drivers? This is a normal business practice. Top guy gets let go, stays on as "advisor" or "consultant" to get some extra severance cash and ease transition and employee morale.

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01-09-2013, 03:29 PM
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Toronto at LD:

Phaneuf(offensive, assuming Carlyle makes good on switching him over)
Gunnarsson
Liles(offensive)
Gardiner(offensive)
Rielly(potential, offensive)
Percy(potential)
Finn(potential, offensive)
Phaneufs a RD

the bottom 3 arent ready (or even close to being ready save for Rielly)

so that leaves us with Gunnar (solid defensively), Liles (offensive, but coming off a concussion), and the Gardiner who is our most valuable dman

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33-34 is not old in goaltending years. Luongo can likely still be elite for the next 5 seasons.
What I meant is that he'll certainly fit the "aging" mold of players once/if the Leafs are ready to compete for the cup, 2-3 years from now.

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Luongo's window of top tier play is still long enough that if the Leafs can't ice a legit team infront of him during it, then they're just incompetent.

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It will be quite funny to see how many Leafs fans eat their words when the Leafs make the playoffs.
No one will eat their words because it would still be a ****ing terrible trade.

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I'd do this. I hope Dregs is right....Gardiner...nope.

Of course you would do that.

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Toronto at LD:

Phaneuf(offensive, assuming Carlyle makes good on switching him over)
Gunnarsson
Liles(offensive)
Gardiner(offensive)
Rielly(potential, offensive)
Percy(potential)
Finn(potential, offensive)
Dion is a 2way dman. He plays on the first PK unit, and against the other teams best players every night. He faced the second or third highest level of competition amongst Dmen in the league last season.

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if we trade Gardiner it would be looked back upon as a Gomez for McDonagh deal ... book it

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01-09-2013, 03:31 PM
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Gardiner is not a guy you play and develop on your third pairing. You have no need for him. Plus you also have Ballard. I would think Canucks would have more use for Franson. While not as valuable, who do you have on your RD right now:

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Presumably Edler or Garrison would be tried out on the right. Ballard will likely be gone by the off season. I agree Gardiner doesn't make much sense for us, but he very well may be expendable from Toronto. As I said, I'd prefer JVR/Lupul, though.

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So Gardiner and Kadri?

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I'll burn all my jersey on my street and invite youtube to come by and film it
The Luongo will take the Leafs on a run in the playoffs and you'll have to go buy a new one...

Man fans overrate their young players. Gardiner good? Yes. Worth swearing off your allegance to your favourite team? C'mon now, get a grip.

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Presumably Edler or Garrison would be tried out on the right. Ballard will likely be gone by the off season. I agree Gardiner doesn't make much sense for us, but he very well may be expendable from Toronto. As I said, I'd prefer JVR/Lupul, though.
id give up JVR before Gardiner .. but even then .. id rather just hold onto them

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if we trade Gardiner it would be looked back upon as a Gomez for McDonagh deal ... book it
You`re saying Luongo is similar to Gomez

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since hes had one of the best rookie seasons as a Leafs D since Kaberle?
Dion Phaneuf had an amazing rookie season, multiple Norris potential yada yada....at 27 he's an overpaid dman who struggles with defense.

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