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Bobby Lu Part II(All Luongo Talk goes here) [Post 643: Luongo to Philly?]

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01-09-2013, 03:54 PM
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Bob McKenzie just said there is no truth to Burke being fired because he wouldn't trade for Lu.


Bob's a nice guy. Him and Dreger both look stunned. You just have to look at the timing and the leaks from LeBrun, Cox, Mirtle and Spector. Luongo was the tipping point, not the full reason.


If Luongo had nothing to do with it, they should have fired him in August.

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Bob McKenzie just said there is no truth to Burke being fired because he wouldn't trade for Lu.
He's bang on.

James Duthie said it best.... these 2 guys are hand-in-hand, the biggest difference between them is how they present themselves... and that's really the only logical explanation for the timing. It was done as soon as it needed to be.

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Bob's a nice guy. Him and Dreger both look stunned. You just have to look at the timing and the leaks from LeBrun, Cox, Mirtle and Spector. Luongo was the tipping point, not the full reason.


If Luongo had nothing to do with it, they should have fired him in August.
You're still delusional about the CEO's of Bell / Rogers getting into player personnel decisions??

Bell/Rogers only closed in late August, and had there not been a season, there would've been no need to fire him.

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Does ownership?
Sure doesn't seem like it. Hence why we're pissed about this rumour.

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yea now he does ... Gomez was a 60 point C at the time, with a 70 point season before that ...

+ we are also giving up Kadri apparently
kadri I don't care about but gardiner would hurt. However dreger is the most connected guy out there besides bobby mack and he said the rumor is kadri bozak 2nd so i'll go with that for now but don't like the gardiner talk

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Does ownership?
Ownership is making tons of money. More than any other team in the league. I'm sure they see the value in long term success as well.

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Doubtful. He wont get that on the open market and he would know it.
nobody thought Grabovski would get 5 x $5.5

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kadri + bozak + 2nd was on the table apparently, but gillis said no.

Gillis want's a first/gardener/rielly in the deal also.

Will nonis actually cave and give it up?


Did a reporter confirm that it was on the table? I know Dreger alluded to it, but he was just guessing.

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Gomez was a 60 point C at the time ...

do you think Lu will be as solid as he is in VAN with the Leafs D in front of him
I do because, like Vancouver, Toronto's defense is more geared toward offense. They need a goaltender who can maintain the fort to compliment a reckless style of play. Undoubtedly, we have a better defense but I do believe Luongo will perform at a top ten level even behind Toronto's. Consider the past two years, goaltending is what cost Toronto a playoff spot. Lu would change that.

Gomez fell apart not because of age, team dynamic or any direct fault of the Habs. He simply crashed in a way we can only speculate on how it could have occurred.

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So Leafs fans would be content going with Reimer/Scrivens this year? Seriously?
Have you seen the draft stock? It's a short season for fans. More opportunities may arise next off-season when teams are desperate to unload salary, like the Canucks would be with Luongo

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If this Gardiner + Kadri rumour turns out to be true. I'm done as a Leafs fan.

Management stepping in and pretending they know anything about hockey and forcing player decisions is despicable.

Done. Over. Burning my jersey's. **** hockey.
This is a money deal, not just a hockey deal. If the Leafs actually work out a deal with the Canucks for Luongo, what ever Leaf assets go back to Vancouver, Rogers and Bell stand to make double profits with Luongo in net. Not only does Bell and Rogers make money with the Leaf's TV rights every time they make the playoffs, Rogers and Bell also own the networks those broadcasts are televised over so income from commercials come their way too.

There is no guarantee that Gillis will actually trade Luongo to the Leafs ( as a Canuck fan I hope he doesn't) but this was a smart financial move by MLSE. Add to the future profits when Luongo sets the win total record in the next couple of years and all the promo that can be made of that happening n TO by the Leafs.

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kadri + bozak + 2nd was on the table apparently, but gillis said no.

Gillis want's a first/gardener/rielly in the deal also.

Will nonis actually cave and give it up?
Well Rielly is for sure not going to be involved IMO I think he has more potential than Gardiner does. I'll go with what Maclean is saying, Gardiner and Kadri.

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kadri I don't care about but gardiner would hurt. However dreger is the most connected guy out there besides bobby mack and he said the rumor is kadri bozak 2nd so i'll go with that for now but don't like the gardiner talk
Link to tweet / source?

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He's bang on.

James Duthie said it best.... these 2 guys are hand-in-hand, the biggest difference between them is how they present themselves... and that's really the only logical explanation for the timing.
Burke and Nonis combined to make all the hockey decisions before. They will now. Not much has changed internally.

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I saw that. It's also been pointed out that Burke was not on board with Nonis's viewpoint of what he would deal for Luongo. So did Burke adopt the stance of Bozak + Kadri + 2nd or bust? Or was it Nonis moving more towards what Gillis demanded, and felt that Bozak + Kadri + 2nd wasn't enough? Time will tell.
Since Nonis respects Burke I think he knows that giving up Jake Gardiner and maybe a 1st round pick is way to much for Luongo. Plus look at what Nonis gave up for Luongo when he was the Canucks GM and at that time you can say he should have given more since he was younger.

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Bob McKenzie just said there is no truth to Burke being fired because he wouldn't trade for Lu.
No, he said that he didn't think Burke was fired because of Luongo. Not that he didn't think it played a role. The entire panel insinuated that it must have been a factor.

That said, they're all just speculating. A multi-billion dollar corporation has no desire or intentions of divulging events which transpired behind closed doors to a bunch of cable television hockey analysts. Especially concerning internal affairs.

Only Burke and the suits know what happened. The suits won't talk, so unless Burke does, don't expect to hear anything. Only thing we can do is wait to see what the return for Luongo is. That will tell the story.

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Burke and Nonis combined to make all the hockey decisions before. They will now. Not much has changed internally.
There is a huge difference..Burke didn't like long contracts, Nonis doesn't mind them, plus he's a huge fan of Luongo.

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Burke and Nonis combined to make all the hockey decisions before. They will now. Not much has changed internally.
That is a delusional statement.

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Ownership is making tons of money. More than any other team in the league. I'm sure they see the value in long term success as well.
Ownership lost a ton of money from the lockout. Perhaps dipping into some of that juicy playoff revenue was desired?

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Over giving up Rielly / Gardiner / first round pick, yes, definitely.
But why waste another year with probably the worst goaltending tandem in the league? Wasting UFA years for top forwards. It's not like the Leafs are in the Oiler's age group, this is a team of prime-aged players and a fanbase starving for a playoff berth. What's holding them back is quite clearly below-par goaltending. Like it or not the Leafs are built for right now. There are no super stars in the pipeline outside of perhaps Reilly. This is the team, right now.

I don't see any of those guys in the deal personally, but I don't really get the sentiment either. Rather sink and hold onto shiny young players than succeed? That's HF mentality and not the real world.

In the real world you have to win, you have to produce. In the real world young defenceman come and go.

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No, he's not. It is just a title used to throw some extra severance money Burke's way. Plus as someone else mentioned, it's a smart PR move.

It is a baseless title, it happens all the time in big business. Burke no longer has any dealings with Leafs operations.

Even Bobby Mac laughed off the notion of the "senior advisor" role. Is everyone here a bunch of truck drivers? This is a normal business practice. Top guy gets let go, stays on as "advisor" or "consultant" to get some extra severance cash and ease transition and employee morale.
That is what I was suggesting when I wrote the post you were replying to, so I'm not sure where you are going with this

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Well Rielly is for sure not going to be involved IMO I think he has more potential than Gardiner does. I'll go with what Maclean is saying, Gardiner and Kadri.
Maclean did not say that, it was some idiot in sun glasses, John shannon has said for a month now bozak+kadri for lou

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Its become quite clear Toronto fans are in favor of further tanking and picking up pieces. Hopefully your owners agree with this standpoint.

Silly them for thinking their fans would demand more from them. How can people claim Toronto is a tough market to play in? Sounds like one of the easiest places to come and collect a pay check

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Why is everyone so convinced Luongo would waive to go to Toronto? I see zero reason why he would want to do that from his perspective.

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