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01-09-2013, 02:42 PM
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First game of the season, though October 1st may make an easier cutoff date and it comes pretty close to the start of the season anyway.

And generally speaking I would say 200 is a pretty good point anyhow. By that point you should have a pretty good idea if a player is worth keeping or not. But you should generally be able to get that with guys who are 24 as well, guys who haven't shown what they're worth by then generally aren't worth using a keeper slot on long term. IE: Jay Harrison may have been a late bloomer, but nobody would use a keeper on him. But maybe have an exemption in on a guy like Dustin Penner or Tyler Bozak who's a late bloomer so they might not even show up as a prospect pick until they're 23. So basically give the GM a full 2-3 seasons after drafting a player if they use it on a late bloomer in the prospect draft?

Of course, if they're a UFA signing (by the GM here, not in real life), doesn't matter anyway, they don't fall under the exemption rules anyway.
Here's my feeling on this one: if you go to the trouble of using a prospect draft pick on a guy that hasn't yet been drafted (and hasn't played an NHL game, perhaps?), then you should get your 200 games out of him. If locking this guy down was a freebie, then I'd say yes, we need limits, but since you're using up one of your 7 picks on a guy, you shouldn't lose him due to his age alone.

And again, it's more of a administrative hassle to qualify an ever-growing list of prospects not only on games played, but also on age as of a certain date. Give that a moment's thought, and think about what a pain that will be...

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PS: I'll research my pick tonight...hope to have it up by 7:00 PM at the latest.

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01-09-2013, 02:49 PM
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I agree with geehaad; the age qualifier doesn't seem to have enough point to it to justify the hassle. Also, when all these things are sorted out, we need to keep a detailed post with all rules somewhere.

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Here's my feeling on this one: if you go to the trouble of using a prospect draft pick on a guy that hasn't yet been drafted (and hasn't played an NHL game, perhaps?), then you should get your 200 games out of him. If locking this guy down was a freebie, then I'd say yes, we need limits, but since you're using up one of your 7 picks on a guy, you shouldn't lose him due to his age alone.

And again, it's more of a administrative hassle to qualify an ever-growing list of prospects not only on games played, but also on age as of a certain date. Give that a moment's thought, and think about what a pain that will be...
Alright, you guys have me agreeing with that one. 200 games, as long as you go through the trouble of using a prospect pick on him. Otherwise they have to be protected heading into the next season. 200 games rule should still apply as of the start of the season though IMO.

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Do we want to say that you cannot use a prospect pick on a guy that has played in at least 1 NHL game?

Here's the scenario I'm thinking we'd like to avoid: a player hasn't been drafted, gets an NHL tryout and plays lights-out for X number of games, and then someone prospect-drafts him and gets to hold him for (200-X) games.

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Do we want to say that you cannot use a prospect pick on a guy that has played in at least 1 NHL game?

Here's the scenario I'm thinking we'd like to avoid: a player hasn't been drafted, gets an NHL tryout and plays lights-out for X number of games, and then someone prospect-drafts him and gets to hold him for (200-X) games.
I don't disagree with that, but then again there are guys out there that really don't emerge on the radar until late in the season and the opportunity may have been missed if they get a 1-2 game callup. Maybe before they played 10 games?

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I don't disagree with that, but then again there are guys out there that really don't emerge on the radar until late in the season and the opportunity may have been missed if they get a 1-2 game callup. Maybe before they played 10 games?
Quick note: just got home...prospect pick will be done shortly.

I think that if such a player was off everyone's radar long enough that they suddenly popped up on an NHL team, then that person is waiver-wire eligible, or can be drafted in the regular player draft. I think the flip side of this equation is the bigger problem to solve, and that is that a player who pops up in the NHL can suddenly be protected for 200 games.

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I'm slightly confused. Would Couture be exempt under the new rules?

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if you took him in the prospect draft, same with Tavares

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Ok, we have a misunderstanding, then. I thought we were going with option #2, and here's what I've seen regarding the players that you can use an exemption on:

DaveG: 2 - start the clock on the eligibility as of last season. So say Justin Faulk or Adam Larsson will have burned a season off on that number. So basically anyone that hasn't had to be protected as a keeper yet won't have to this season either.

faulkingdynamic: Everyone not on the current prospect roster, goes under the old rules. Current players still eligible for the prospect pool goes under the new rules.


Taking Couture as an example, his prospect eligibility ran out in 2011, and he had to be protected last year. My thought is that the only players who were allowed the exemption were the players who were still considered prospects last year. I would agree to that, but I would not agree to going back to any prospect that any GM has that has not yet played 200 games. In fact, it's entirely possible that a GM has such a player on their current roster that a different GM drafted. Tuukka Rask darn near falls into that category, as a near-example.

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So now im confused.....Am I able to exempt McDonagh and Petry and put them on my opening roster?

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So now im confused.....Am I able to exempt McDonagh and Petry and put them on my opening roster?
Yep, they were both prospects picks IIRC. Both were considered exempted last year as well.

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Dammit. Thought of Shultz about 20 minutes after I picked last night. Boooo.

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Thought he had already been taken but nope, great pick. I'd still take Grigs over him, but yeah, hard to argue with a pick that should have an instant impact. That's like Cam Fowler falling to the Ducks in 2010.

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