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Bobby Lu Part II(All Luongo Talk goes here) [Post 643: Luongo to Philly?]

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01-09-2013, 06:02 PM
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If Luongo comes to Toronto and they send good value, it really mirrors what happened in 2004-2005 CBA negotiations. Players (Toronto) cracked and appointed Ted Saskins (Nonis) to get the deal done with the league (Vancouver).

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McCown or McKenzie, I wonder who to trust
McKenzie is one of the most overrated of all the 'insiders'

Everytime he gets beat by Lebrun and Dregger and the SPN ppl.

It reminds me of the Hodgson deal to Buffalo, he hadnt said ANYTHING connecting or speculating that theres a trade in the work with Van and Buf, but when they announced the deal, he started talking about he heard 'rumblings' about it and that the Canucks were looking at Kassian.

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The leverage has definitely taken a hit, but Nonis is no pushover. We'll see.
I wouldn't call him a pushover, but he has paid big in trade before. He won't back out because of risks involved, but we really are just speculating here. We don't know what was going on with Burke, or Nonis, or Gillis, or MLSE, or anyone really.

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An offensive minded center. He's not perfect, but I'd much rather him over Bozak.
Grabo straight up?

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Gardiner is the perfect fit in vancouver..

The Sedin Twins, Schneider.. roll red roll!
He is the perfect fit in Toronto too. We aren't trading him.

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link?
It was on TSN Radio within the last hour or so. He was pretty emphatic about it, too.

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He said it on TSN.

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We've had to look at the facts here...

The timing with everything and just the between the lines sort of stuff.

It's been confirmed by multiple sources that a main reason that Burke was let go was because he was unwilling to pull the trigger on a Luongo deal that his aides and people close to him were pushing him to do.

Okay, well we know that Burke was not willing to give up the following Gardiner, 1st round pick, Kadri

We know that because burkes aides and lieutenants were urging him to do the deal, that means they wanted to do the deal. One of these people is Nonis.

Nonis is now in charge. Meaning, Nonis is willing to deal either Gardiner, 1st round, Kadri

So.. at least one of these peices is coming to Vancouver at a minimum. Gillis wants to win now as he's prepping the Canucks for a Stanley or bust year. So the first is probably out.

Kadri isn't quite NHL ready, and when Kesler comes back there really isn't a spot for him just yet, especially if Malhotra returns to be a 60% FO guy.

So.. Gardiner is the best bet, but Gardiner also doesn't make sense unless Gillis has a seperate deal to bring back an impact player for someone like an Edler or Ballard, or both.

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It was on TSN Radio within the last hour or so. He was pretty emphatic about it, too.
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He said it on TSN.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the Nucks want Reimer/Scrivens as part of the deal? Going with a first-year starter and Lack as the backup seems nervewracking to me, but maybe I'm under-rating lack.

Reimer+Bozak+____
Is going with a first-year starter + Lack as back up nervewracking?

Yes.

Do either Reimer/Scrivens make it better?

Not really.

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The guy who is suggesting that that is the likely return says Burke was fired because of how he presented himself publicly not because he wouldn't trade for Lu.
Dreger and Bobby Mac both say he was fired for the same reason.
Yeah that sounds like Burke. Still though, why allow him to go to draft or trade Schenn if you didn't like what you were seeing? Wouldn't you make the change sooner instead of a week before camp on a shortened season? I still believe the Luongo situation was a factor. I think the board wants Luongo before the season starts. They want playoffs.

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I'm sorry to say, but if you follow major corporations firing high level executives, the resulting senior advisor position is just for title. Look no further to Apple's Inc. firing of Scott Forstall and then giving him a advisory position. In many cases they keep the executives on payroll as advisor for the sole purpose of not letting competition get their hands on them in the short term. I doubt that Burke has any say anymore and he is probably so mad he does not want to either. Bell and Rogers, own the Maple Leafs, and like I said they are running it like a typical major corporation. Very typical.
Strongly agree with this. If MLSE fires Burke - they must pay him out the remainder of his contract, and he's free to take any job he wants as soon as tomorrow.

As I understand it, by making him a "senior advisor", if another team want to make him to be part of their mgmt team, the Leafs wouldn't be on the hook for any salary (assuming Burke is making the same or more on his new job).

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I think based on history, Burke and Nonis are diametrically opposed in how they view goaltenders. This is why I think Burke was against paying what was necessary for Luongo, and Nonis is on the other side. It remains to be seen if Nonis himself pays the price, but based on history, they value goaltenders differently.
Well, Lu's value is about as clear as anyone's value having been a consistent performer year after year. The discrepency is likely in Gardiner's value.

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It was on TSN Radio within the last hour or so. He was pretty emphatic about it, too.

Is a non-starter or was? Because McCowan and Maclean think he's involved.

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An offensive minded center. He's not perfect, but I'd much rather him over Bozak.
The Canucks already have to centers way better than Grabs to do the scoring. Bozak is much better suited for a bottom line role, besides, the offer is ridiculous enough as it is.

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We've had to look at the facts here...

The timing with everything and just the between the lines sort of stuff.

It's been confirmed by multiple sources that a main reason that Burke was let go was because he was unwilling to pull the trigger on a Luongo deal that his aides and people close to him were pushing him to do.

Okay, well we know that Burke was not willing to give up the following Gardiner, 1st round pick, Kadri

We know that because burkes aides and lieutenants were urging him to do the deal, that means they wanted to do the deal. One of these people is Nonis.

Nonis is now in charge. Meaning, Nonis is willing to deal either Gardiner, 1st round, Kadri

So.. at least one of these peices is coming to Vancouver at a minimum. Gillis wants to win now as he's prepping the Canucks for a Stanley or bust year. So the first is probably out.

Kadri isn't quite NHL ready, and when Kesler comes back there really isn't a spot for him just yet, especially if Malhotra returns to be a 60% FO guy.

So.. Gardiner is the best bet, but Gardiner also doesn't make sense unless Gillis has a seperate deal to bring back an impact player for someone like an Edler or Ballard, or both.
No it hasn't. Most are saying it was because the incoming corporations didnt like the way he handles himself publicly.

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Grabo straight up?
Sorry boss, I like the enthusiasm, but we're talking a longer (but not as long as Lu's) contract at 5.5 for what amounts to a third line center...plus I think Lu is a hell of a lot better a player then Grabo.

If we added Kadri, or a similar piece, and inserted Grabovski in place of Bozak, I think I could work with that.

How ever, his contract for the role he'd play creates...significant problems starting next year.

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Is a non-starter or was? Because McCowan and Maclean think he's involved.
Who cares what McCowan thinks? He isnt an insider. He isnt even really a hockey guy.

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He is the perfect fit in Toronto too. We aren't trading him.
If you listen to Nonis he says we have some choices on players, we have some players on contracts. That sounds a lot centred around Lupul. Really I think Toronto should keep Lupul and Gardiner, but send different value. They have lots of wingers, so send one of those, got lots of prospects so send one of those, add a pick and maybe a depth center.

Kulemin, Kadri, Bozak, 1st

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Luongo, Raymond

At this point I think this looks a lot more fair then before. No Gardiner, no Lupul, no key core players. Raymond makes up for Kulemin on 3rd line.

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If you listen to Nonis he says we have some choices on players, we have some players on contracts. That sounds a lot centred around Lupul. Really I think Toronto should keep Lupul and Gardiner, but send different value. They have lots of wingers, so send one of those, got lots of prospects so send one of those, add a pick and maybe a depth center.

Kulemin, Kadri, Bozak, 1st

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Luongo, Raymond

At this point I think this looks a lot more fair then before. No Gardiner, no Lupul, no key core players. Raymond makes up for Kulemin on 3rd line.
Throw in Ballard

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If you listen to Nonis he says we have some choices on players, we have some players on contracts. That sounds a lot centred around Lupul. Really I think Toronto should keep Lupul and Gardiner, but send different value. They have lots of wingers, so send one of those, got lots of prospects so send one of those, add a pick and maybe a depth center.

Kulemin, Kadri, Bozak, 1st

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Luongo, Raymond

At this point I think this looks a lot more fair then before. No Gardiner, no Lupul, no key core players. Raymond makes up for Kulemin on 3rd line.
He really in no way does. He cant replace Kulemin's physical edge and I doubt he will replace his offensive role either

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Is a non-starter or was? Because McCowan and Maclean think he's involved.
Someone on the panel asked him if he (Bob) would use Gardiner as a piece in a trade for Luongo. McKenzie answered in the negative. I don't think he meant to imply that the Leafs or Nonis wouldn't put him in play. But I think McKenzie answeringin the way he did tells you a lot about Luongo's value moving forward.

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It would've been totally unnecessary had the lockout lasted a full year.
So then you fire him next off-season and you have the same media circus. Just delaying the inevitable which according to Anselmi, isn't their style. You're grasping at straws, big time.

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