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01-09-2013, 08:22 PM
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How many people said that about Whitney, Doan, Iginla, St. Louis? Every year St. Louis had been throwing out the "he's declining" and only now does it slightly show. Some people say the Sedins are done. Do I see Briere as a PPG player? No but he could put up 55-60 points again. Or 30ish in a condensed season. Not to mention we need scoring in the playoffs. Briere accomplishes that.

At the end of the day, Briere is a better player than the packages Toronto leafs have thrown around.
St. Louis is a much better player than Briere ever was. I don't see anything in Briere's game that proves to me that he'll continue to produce at that pace. But **** it I'd love to be wrong, I like the guy and his family situation is kind of ******.

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Ok, then who will they trade for then. And what will the price be.
Are you guys offering up Price for Kadri, Bozak and a second?
Nobody. It's a 48 games season. Teams can afford to wait until compliance buyout season and take a decision then.

Edit: IOW the goaltending might very well suck on every team

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01-09-2013, 08:23 PM
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I agree that Luongo is better that Bryzgalov but Luongo has had some terrible playoff games/series. Who knows what his numbers would have looked like last year if he wasn't benched.
Yeah, and who knows what his numbers would have been if the team in front of him would have showed up for the first two games in the LA series. Luongo was not the problem for Vancouver in last years playoffs but that won't stop people form making the choke comments.

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Kadri + Bozak + Franson for Luongo + 2nd/3rd pick

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@drosennhl: “@DNFlyers: Flyers GM Paul Holmgren on Luongo rumors: "That made me chuckle. Safe to say they aren't true. They have no basis or merit."”

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Nobody. It's a 48 games season. Teams can afford to wait until compliance buyout season and take a decision then.
Yeah, I've heard the wait until the next season to acquire a goalie form some teams for about the last 10 years. Shockingly most teams don't seem to want to giev away goalies when that next season comes.

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Yeah, and who knows what his numbers would have been if the team in front of him would have showed up for the first two games in the LA series. Luongo was not the problem for Vancouver in last years playoffs but that won't stop people form making the choke comments.
Schneider played better vs LA than Luongo did. The team played better in front of Schneider. Luongo is basically being run out of town, the Canucks do not have as much leverage as you think.

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How about:

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Voracek + Bourdon/Gustaffson (potential Ballard replacement; haven't watch the Flyers enough to know their value though)
I'd still pass, rather easily.

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Kadri + Bozak + Franson for Luongo + 2nd/3rd pick
Yawn

Toronto wouldn't do it for lack of center depth and Vancouver gets nothing substantial for Lu. Why in the world do we add?

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01-09-2013, 08:27 PM
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Schneider played better vs LA than Luongo did. The team played better in front of Schneider. Luongo is basically being run out of town, the Canucks do not have as much leverage as you think.
I never said that they had leverage. I said they had as much leverage as teams with crappy goaltending.
And yes I agree Schneider played better. But not by a lot. Some people on the East coast should stay up and watch the games.
Luongo did a lot better against LA thna most other goalies they faced.

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I'd still pass, rather easily.
Vancouver fans like to throw in Raymond/Ballard, like we like to throw in Bozak/Kadri it's similar to Ryder, Halak and a 2nd

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Yawn

Toronto wouldn't do it for lack of center depth and Vancouver gets nothing substantial for Lu. Why in the world do we add?
Time to come to grips with the fact that you won't.

Do you really expect Gardiner to be part of this?

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I never said that they had leverage. I said they had as much leverage as teams with crappy goaltending.
And yes I agree Schneider played better. But not by a lot.
Schneider played better in net and the team looked more inspired playing in front of him. Hence Luongo being shopped.

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Adrian Dater gets some things right but he has also been wrong about a lot of things. Here's his take on this:

I think Dater is editorializing a lot there. Everyone knows about the Bryz situation in PHI. Everyone knows that there are now mechanics to get around said contract. So it's only natural to marry the two together and get Luongo in PHI.


However, I just think PHI is there to see how much it will cost. When they find out, Couturier, they will rebuff. At the very least though, they are another team in the mix. That makes 3 of recent interest in EDM, TOR and PHI. And 6 of _reported_ interest overall, in EDM, TOR, PHI, CHI, CLB and FLA.


And we'll see what happens with WSH, WPG and Tbay this year.

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The future obviously isn't proven, but you can look at past trends and the overwhelming evidence is goaltenders begin to decline in their mid 30s. Simple as that. Of course he can be an elite goalie at 40 years old, but that's highly unlikely and damn near impossible.
There is nothing proven in what you've written here. Of course Luongo will eventually retire from playing professional hockey, but that has no bearing on how he will play for the next five years.

No one should be claiming he will be elite at age 40.

The statistics you're claiming to support your opinion, do the opposite. Luongo has shown no downward curve in his play, so what you're saying is incorrect... unless your point is that people age as time passes.

There is no reason to believe that Luongo can't continue to play at this level for the foreseeable future, and there are no statistics that logically refute this statement. It's popular to hate on Luongo and people will roll out anything to convince themselves they're correct. Making things up is an entirely different animal than actually presenting a rational opinion.

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Nobody. It's a 48 games season. Teams can afford to wait until compliance buyout season and take a decision then.
I agree wholeheartedly. I have long since suggested that not all teams looking for goaltending are going to be forced to look at Luongo. Somehow it still seems like a foreign concept to most even though a GM like Yzerman opted to go for a younger solution (one of many possible reasons why teams would not be interested in Luongo).

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Schneider played better in net and the team looked more inspired playing in front of him. Hence Luongo being shopped.
No, actually Schneider played better and is much younger. Hence Luongo being shopped. We have two great goalies and weaknesses elsewhere. You might denigrate Luongo but he's far superior to anything the Leafs have had in net for a long, long time. Not that that's saying much mind you.

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Time to come to grips with the fact that you won't.

Do you really expect Gardiner to be part of this?
Yeah, Leaf fans were telling us it was a fact Burke's job wasn't in jeopardy. Don't mind us we do not put much faith in your "facts".

Do I expect Gardiner? No, but something better than what you offered.

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There is nothing proven in what you've written here. Of course Luongo will eventually retire from playing professional hockey, but that has no bearing on how he will play for the next five years.

No one should be claiming he will be elite at age 40.

The statistics you're claiming to support your opinion, do the opposite. Luongo has shown no downward curve in his play, so what you're saying is incorrect... unless your point is that people age as time passes.

There is no reason to believe that Luongo can't continue to play at this level for the foreseeable future, and there are no statistics that logically refute this statement. It's popular to hate on Luongo and people will roll out anything to convince themselves they're correct. Making things up is an entirely different animal than actually presenting a rational opinion.
Luongo could be an anomaly and play great for the next 5 years. But the generally accepted thought is goalies decline in their mid 30s. Here's a great article about it

http://nhlnumbers.com/2012/12/6/goal...vivorship-bias

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Vancouver does not hold any leverage whatsoever. They're basically at the mercy of the offers. The only other choices are buying Roberto out or keeping him and buyout someone else when they need to.
It's not rocket science. If a number of teams are interested in Luongo, then Vancouver has some leverage by playing the offers against each other. Say 5 teams submit offers for Luongo. Gillis takes the offer he likes best, then goes to the other 4 teams and says 'add a little more or I'm going to accept this other offer'. If everyone stands pat then that's what Vancouver is stuck with. Chances are that those opening offers will be relatively low and teams will bid against each other up to something a bit more reasonable for Vancouver.

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I think Dater is editorializing a lot there. Everyone knows about the Bryz situation in PHI. Everyone knows that there are now mechanics to get around said contract. So it's only natural to marry the two together and get Luongo in PHI.


However, I just think PHI is there to see how much it will cost. When they find out, Couturier, they will rebuff. At the very least though, they are another team in the mix. That makes 3 of recent interest in EDM, TOR and PHI. And 6 of _reported_ interest overall, in EDM, TOR, PHI, CHI, CLB and FLA.


And we'll see what happens with WSH, WPG and Tbay this year.
If the market for Luongo is a Couturier level player then Luongo will be on the Canucks roster for the start of the season and probably most of it because he ain't getting no return like that.

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No, actually Schneider played better and is much younger. Hence Luongo being shopped. We have two great goalies and weaknesses elsewhere. You might denigrate Luongo but he's far superior to anything the Leafs have had in net for a long, long time. Not that that's saying much mind you.
Yeah Luongo is better than just about any goalie we've had in the past 10 years. Does that mean we sell the farm by giving up Gardiner+Kadri, no. Luongo is a decent option for a good price, but I don't like the idea of having our own Schneider with one of Reimer/Scrivens/Owuya being blocked by Luongo. In no way am I saying those 3 are or will be as good as Schneider, I'm just thinking long term.

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I hope Philly gets Luongo... that way I know they won't have a chance to win a cup over the next 6-7 years

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