HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Bobby Lu Part II(All Luongo Talk goes here) [Post 643: Luongo to Philly?]

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-09-2013, 09:34 PM
  #951
Co Ho*
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,367
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by binop7 View Post
Vancouver fans like to throw in Raymond/Ballard, like we like to throw in Bozak/Kadri it's similar to Ryder, Halak and a 2nd
That is very true, but in my proposal Raymond was supposed to fill the roster spot that Voracek would leave, even though they play on different wings.

Co Ho* is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:35 PM
  #952
luongo321
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 10,016
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by binop7 View Post
Schneider played better in net and the team looked more inspired playing in front of him. Hence Luongo being shopped.
Maybe one of the reason's they played more inspired is because they were down 2 games when Schneider came in? Maybe not having Dan Sedin to start the first round was a shock and threw off the entire team?

luongo321 is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:36 PM
  #953
binop7
Registered User
 
binop7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,023
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Co Ho View Post
That is very true, but in my proposal Raymond was supposed to fill the roster spot that Voracek would leave, even though they play on different wings.
That's like taking a farmer's stallion and giving him back a horse missing a leg.

binop7 is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:36 PM
  #954
Vankiller Whale
Propaganda Minister
 
Vankiller Whale's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 25,196
vCash: 938
Quote:
Originally Posted by binop7 View Post
Luongo could be an anomaly and play great for the next 5 years. But the generally accepted thought is goalies decline in their mid 30s. Here's a great article about it

http://nhlnumbers.com/2012/12/6/goal...vivorship-bias
Lol. It specifically says that elite goaltenders are what skewed the other guys research, because they continue to play at a high level, while others don't.

Quote:
As the lesser goalies' careers come to an end (per our second assumption) and only the premier goalies are left playing, we would actually expect to see a rise in the average save percentage -- the only goalies left at age 37 would be our future Hall-of-Famers still performing at a very high level. Of course, that's not what we see; average save percentage is basically flat with age, as both Steve and Jared showed.

Vankiller Whale is online now  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:36 PM
  #955
Krishna
Registered User
 
Krishna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Country: Canada
Posts: 82,154
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Co Ho View Post
That is very true, but in my proposal Raymond was supposed to fill the roster spot that Voracek would leave, even though they play on different wings.
Raymond wouldn't play on the first line here o it doesn't fill the roster spot left by Voracek

Krishna is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:36 PM
  #956
healthyscratch
Registered User
 
healthyscratch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Philly
Posts: 5,456
vCash: 633
Quote:
Originally Posted by sm0ka47 View Post
If the market for Luongo is a Couturier level player then Luongo will be on the Canucks roster for the start of the season and probably most of it because he ain't getting no return like that.
Couturier.

healthyscratch is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:36 PM
  #957
luongo321
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 10,016
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylonus View Post
I hope Philly gets Luongo... that way I know they won't have a chance to win a cup over the next 6-7 years
Don't worry. You'll be eating your words when Luongo shuts down Crosby.

luongo321 is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:37 PM
  #958
binop7
Registered User
 
binop7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,023
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by luongo321 View Post
Maybe one of the reason's they played more inspired is because they were down 2 games when Schneider came in? Maybe not having Dan Sedin to start the first round was a shock and threw off the entire team?
There's a lot of factors at play certainly. And there's no way to know how Vancouver would've played in game 3 with Luongo in net, but all we can go by is what we have. 2 games Luongo plays, Vancouver looks flat. Game 3 Schneider plays Vancouver is almost a different team.

binop7 is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:37 PM
  #959
JackJ
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,516
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne Endeavor View Post
Yeah, Leaf fans were telling us it was a fact Burke's job wasn't in jeopardy. Don't mind us we do not put much faith in your "facts". .
Expected it to happen this summer. Only homers were overlooking the facts.

JackJ is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:38 PM
  #960
me2
Seahawks 43
 
me2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Broncos 8
Country: Wallis & Futuna
Posts: 19,338
vCash: 1000
Quote:
Originally Posted by GordieHoweHatTrick View Post
Lets not begin trolling VanKiller because we know that outside of making the playoffs the goal is to win the cup and it's difficult to argue the Leafs would be ready to make that step with Luongo. Leafs fans want the organization to build a perennial powerhouse, not a playoff bubble team with an aging tender
Then hire Tabellini. At least he'll get you top talents, at least that way when Kessel has had enough losing and walks as a ufa in a year and a half you have something.

me2 is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:38 PM
  #961
Co Ho*
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,367
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylonus View Post
I hope Philly gets Luongo... that way I know they won't have a chance to win a cup over the next 6-7 years
Right, because Pittsburgh fans should question the quality of goaltenders...

Co Ho* is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:38 PM
  #962
quat
vapid but stately
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Victoria BC
Posts: 9,191
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to quat
Quote:
Originally Posted by bauer View Post
guys like you are great. the ones who like to make stuff up because they can't handle people with opinions other than their own. i didn't say Luongo "sucks" or that i hate him. i said he's average. get over it.
Yeah, I'm making up you running down Luongo in post after post and then claiming you don't hate the guy. Clearly.

I'm not telling you what to think about Luongo what so ever. I'm basing my comment ONLY on what you've written in this thread. If you don't want people pointing out the hypocrisy of your statements, then perhaps you shouldn't post conflicting opinions in the same thread.

quat is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:39 PM
  #963
Bourne Endeavor
Moderator
HFBoards: Night's Watch
 
Bourne Endeavor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Country: Canada
Posts: 25,164
vCash: 500
For ***** and giggles. If it were Schneider would Philly buy into it?

Bourne Endeavor is online now  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:40 PM
  #964
Co Ho*
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,367
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by binop7 View Post
That's like taking a farmer's stallion and giving him back a horse missing a leg.
Missing it's spine would be a better analogy

Co Ho* is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:40 PM
  #965
vokiel
I hate blind passes
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Montréal
Country: Martinique
Posts: 7,205
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RandV View Post
It's not rocket science. If a number of teams are interested in Luongo, then Vancouver has some leverage by playing the offers against each other. Say 5 teams submit offers for Luongo. Gillis takes the offer he likes best, then goes to the other 4 teams and says 'add a little more or I'm going to accept this other offer'. If everyone stands pat then that's what Vancouver is stuck with. Chances are that those opening offers will be relatively low and teams will bid against each other up to something a bit more reasonable for Vancouver.
Just doing that isn't getting leverage. Bidding wars only become leverage after all other options have been explored for all bidders involved. Luongo isn't a prized gem, he's a veteran goalie with a gigantic contract. Other options than him have a lot more weight than most Canucks fans think and that's including doing nothing at all for a 48 games + playoff season.

vokiel is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:40 PM
  #966
binop7
Registered User
 
binop7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,023
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Co Ho View Post
Missing it's spine would be a better analogy
Oh, that's just harsh

binop7 is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:41 PM
  #967
Intense Rage
Registered User
 
Intense Rage's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,768
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylonus View Post
I hope Philly gets Luongo... that way I know they won't have a chance to win a cup over the next 6-7 years
I would make a similar bet lol.
Quote:
Originally Posted by healthyscratch View Post
Couturier.
I know, laughable isn't it?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Co Ho View Post
Right, because Pittsburgh fans should question the quality of goaltenders...
Yes but the quality of their goaltender has led them to a Cup. What have your two top 5 () goalies ever won you?

Intense Rage is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:42 PM
  #968
luongo321
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 10,016
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by binop7 View Post
There's a lot of factors at play certainly. And there's no way to know how Vancouver would've played in game 3 with Luongo in net, but all we can go by is what we have. 2 games Luongo plays, Vancouver looks flat. Game 3 Schneider plays Vancouver is almost a different team.
Yeah, when you're put in a 2-0 hole, those types of things happen.

luongo321 is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:42 PM
  #969
binop7
Registered User
 
binop7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,023
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by vokiel View Post
Just doing that isn't getting leverage. Bidding wars only become leverage after all other options have been explored for all bidders involved. Luongo isn't a prized gem, he's a veteran goalie with a gigantic contract. Other options than him have a lot more weight than most Canucks think and that's including doing nothing at all for a 48 games + playoff season.
Agreed. Luongo isn't some super valuable asset that all the other bidding GMs will be salivating over.

binop7 is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:43 PM
  #970
binop7
Registered User
 
binop7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,023
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by luongo321 View Post
Yeah, when you're put in a 2-0 hole, those types of things happen.
Again there's no way to know that because Luongo got benched in favor of Schneider, but obviously it was a vote of no confidence in Luongo.

binop7 is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:43 PM
  #971
binop7
Registered User
 
binop7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,023
vCash: 500
Adater

Canucks would like to get Nicklas Grossman in any trade for Luongo. Unclear if Philly will go that far

binop7 is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:44 PM
  #972
The Overseer*
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,967
vCash: 500
To all the Flyer fans saying they wouldn't give anything up for Luongo, ask yourselves . . .


What did you get back for Richards and Carter, who were on similar, if not worse, contracts?

The Overseer* is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:44 PM
  #973
roboninja
EYG
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,157
vCash: 717
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne Endeavor View Post
For ***** and giggles. If it were Schneider would Philly buy into it?
Interesting. Schneider + Edler for Voracek + Cobourn?

roboninja is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:45 PM
  #974
Krishna
Registered User
 
Krishna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Country: Canada
Posts: 82,154
vCash: 500
adater ‏@adater
Canucks would like to get Nicklas Grossman in any trade for Luongo. Unclear if Philly will go that far

Long was from Couturier or Voracek.

Krishna is offline  
Old
01-09-2013, 09:45 PM
  #975
binop7
Registered User
 
binop7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,023
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Overseer View Post
To all the Flyer fans saying they wouldn't give anything up for Luongo, ask yourselves . . .


What did you get back for Richards and Carter, who were on similar, if not worse, contracts?
Both of which could be arguably #1C. Carter is borderline. Forwards are worth more than goalies more often than not as well.

binop7 is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:48 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.