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01-09-2013, 08:53 PM
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Leafs - Blues

Add tweaks to make a deal centred around this core deal to make it fair value-wise:

To St. Louis:
Kessel
Reimer

To Toronto:
Halak
Berglund

Gives Toronto a #1 goalie and a great young centre. St. Louis gets a dynamic scoring winger, addressing a need that they do have, and a quality back up for Elliot

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01-09-2013, 08:55 PM
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Value is there, but I think STL says no because they're deep on wing and shallow at centre. And Halak wouldn't be traded. Elliot might though.

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Blues do not want to trade Halak, we need another center as it is and the one thing we have a sure fire surplus of is wingers.

I really don't think we would trade either goalie but if we were, Elliott would be the one traded.


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01-09-2013, 08:56 PM
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Habs say no!

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01-09-2013, 08:56 PM
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If Toronto wanted to trade Kessel I think they could get a lot more in return, so I say no because of that.

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01-09-2013, 08:58 PM
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If Toronto wanted to trade Kessel I think they could get a lot more in return, so I say no because of that.
I agree. STL might say no, but it seems they say no to everything.

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01-09-2013, 09:00 PM
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Very easy no for the Blues, that trade makes us a worse team.

Don't see why the Leafs would do it either.

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01-09-2013, 09:03 PM
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I agree. STL might say no, but it seems they say no to everything.
This isn't wrong mainly because there are very few things we are looking for in a trade. Value isn't the problem here.

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01-09-2013, 09:05 PM
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Ummm.. No?

Did Bozak change his name to Kessel?

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This is why I had the "add pieces to make this fair" sentence up top

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01-09-2013, 09:15 PM
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Trading Halak is a no go since he is more proven than Elliott. Trading Berglund is a no go because we don't have depth at center.

Trading for Kessel wouldn't make any sense since we have great depth and great prospects on the wings.

It really doesn't make much sense for us regardless of value.

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01-09-2013, 09:19 PM
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Can't see Halak traded before Elliott...and Kessel on the Blues just doesn't seem like a good fit. I think half his teammates would beat him up and take his lunch money every day.

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Very easy no for the Blues, that trade makes us a worse team.

Don't see why the Leafs would do it either.
Really? The Leafs get a high-end young goalie with proven success in a big market and a very good young (big) centre. These are things you can really start to build a team around...I'd be surprised if they walked away that quickly.

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01-09-2013, 09:23 PM
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Here are our needs and our only needs:

#2-3 LH defenseman: Someone capable of playing top pairing minutes, prefer to be able to play on the 2nd PP unit, doesn't have to be a star.

Top 6 center: We will probably be looking for someone to score 50+ points if Berglund doesn't progress and get consistent. If Berglund can score 50 points consistently and Steen fits at center, then this doesn't become a need.

That's it, we don't need Kessel, and I seriously doubt he would fit with Hitchcock.

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01-09-2013, 09:35 PM
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The reason that I think Kessel is a good fit on the Blues is twofold. One, they do have a consistent, 30-50 point group, but they lack a star scoring player. While being 1st in goals against per game, they are also 21st in goals forward per game. Kessel will bring you 30-40 extra goals per year, which is huge. And if you put him on a line with a guy like Backes, you are putting him in an atmosphere where his line mates create time and space for him. Likely making his point production higher.

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01-09-2013, 09:39 PM
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When McDonald and Perron are in the lineup, we have a top 10 offense. We will be adding Tarasenko, and Stewart is in the best shape of his life. We have Schwartz, Rattie, and Jaskin coming up in the future as well.

It's not that Kessel isn't very good, but what makes us great defensively is all 5 guys help, which is why Stewart isn't the greatest of fits, but he was doing better at the end of the season. We have a system and Kessel just doesn't fit that system.

If Tarasenko becomes the player that he can, then there is no point in Kessel.

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01-09-2013, 09:40 PM
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No thanks. Doesn't fit the Blues needs at all and leaves giant holes. It's like people forget that the Blues have Oshie, Stewart, and now Tarasenko on the right wing.

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01-09-2013, 09:47 PM
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I feel like Phaneuf would be of more interest.

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01-09-2013, 09:48 PM
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Blues get weaker in goal and trade a center they need for a winger they don't?

Value doesn't suck. Kessell is a nice piece, but the Blues aren't the right puzzle.

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This doesn't make Toronto any better either. Just leaves us with a huge blackhole on offense with no decent forward prospects besides Kadri. Our top-6 would be...

Lupul-Berglund-JVR
Kulie/Kadri-Grabo-Mac

Not exactly terrifying. I won't get into that I feel Leafs get fleeced value-wise either #HitchcockEffect.

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When McDonald and Perron are in the lineup, we have a top 10 offense. We will be adding Tarasenko, and Stewart is in the best shape of his life. We have Schwartz, Rattie, and Jaskin coming up in the future as well.

It's not that Kessel isn't very good, but what makes us great defensively is all 5 guys help, which is why Stewart isn't the greatest of fits, but he was doing better at the end of the season. We have a system and Kessel just doesn't fit that system.

If Tarasenko becomes the player that he can, then there is no point in Kessel.
Add Steen being fully healthy as well, I think this is the yr he takes off. Would of been last yr but we all know what happened.

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01-09-2013, 09:57 PM
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The last thing the Blues need is to trade a center for a winger, especially one that plays on our top 6.

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Blues and Leafs do not make good trading partners.

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01-09-2013, 11:09 PM
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Blues fans always seem to say no because the other teams rarely look at what St. Louis needs. They just throw proposals together and don't understand that St. Louis really only needs to fill in a couple of spots, and they aren't extremely to fill either. St. Louis is full of depth, especially on the wingers so it makes absolutely no sense to take away from a position of weakness (center-no depth, and goaltending-no depth and Elliott isn't proven at all right now). As much as the value is close, St. Louis just doesn't care about value in a trade like this.

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01-09-2013, 11:16 PM
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I really don't want a goaltending tandem of Elliott/Reimer, that's just asking for trouble. I like Kessel and think he's a lot better than people give him credit for, but we have a surplus in wingers and a shortage in centers. I doubt Leafs do this as well.

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psa: any trade involving the blues getting a winger is dumb

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