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01-09-2013, 07:20 PM
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Ilya Bryzgalov

Lets pretend for a moment that Phi makes a deal for Bobby Lou. Would any teams have interest in Bryzgalov and for what?

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01-09-2013, 07:22 PM
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That escalated quickly.

I think Philly would have to keep some salary to get a team interested.

Maybe something around Liles from Toronto? Philly could use a decent offensive defenseman.

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01-09-2013, 07:23 PM
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Depends on what his contract request would be after philly buys him out.

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No interest in trading for him, rather wait to see him get bought out and sign him for cheap.

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Depends on what his contract request would be after philly buys him out.
Would he have any value/interest with his current contract? as he cant be bought out until this summer.

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I would guess Philly has to retain about 2 mil in salary, but they should be able to get a 2/3rd line winger from someone who needs a goalie.

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Would he have any value/interest with his current contract? as he cant be bought out until this summer.
I honestly couldn't see any team being willing to trade assets to acquire him, especially during a shortened season. If they hypothetically did acquire Luongo do the Flyers roll with an 11 million dollar combined goaltending duo this season?

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I'll buy Philly a case of beer if they let him play on my rec team. Cheap beer though, cuz our tender is actually pretty good.

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If I'm Toronto, assuming that it costs a winger to get Luongo, I'd give them MacArthur (Leafs retain 50% salary), Scrivens, and a 2nd round pick with Philadelphia retaining $1.5m in cap hit/salary.

To me, I think that makes a lot more sense than letting him rot the season as backup, then paying $23m to not have him play for the team.

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I would guess Philly has to retain about 2 mil in salary, but they should be able to get a 2/3rd line winger from someone who needs a goalie.
Exactly. For people saying nothing and/or 7th d-men are crazy. Yea he might not have had a good season last year, but a team that needs a goalie in the league would hope he turns into the player he was the year before.

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If I'm Toronto, assuming that it costs a winger to get Luongo, I'd give them MacArthur (Leafs retain 50% salary), Scrivens, and a 2nd round pick with Philadelphia retaining $1.5m in cap hit/salary.

To me, I think that makes a lot more sense than letting him rot the season as backup, then paying $23m to not have him play for the team.
Do you think Liles would make more sense? The Leafs are pretty deep at LD, and with Percy, Rielly, and Finn in the system, it might make sense to move one. I think an offensive dman fit Philly's needs better.

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Do you think Liles would make more sense? The Leafs are pretty deep at LD, and with Percy, Rielly, and Finn in the system, it might make sense to move one. I think an offensive dman fit Philly's needs better.
Maybe, but the Leafs aren't in a position to lose defencemen at this point (he's somewhere between our #3 and #5) and wouldn't be prepared to retain any of his salary.

It might make sense to move Liles in a year or two, because of puckmovement, nothing to do with the grossly over-hyped handedness

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01-09-2013, 08:08 PM
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No one is taking that contract. He will be the Flyers first amnesty buyout this summer.

If someone like Voracek is in the deal, PHI should be able to squeak under the cap for this year carrying both Luongo & Bryz.

This is a quite hilarious scenario I want to see happen.

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K I've got to ask...why do so many seem to think Bryz is worth next to nothing?
Admittedly, I did not watch many flyers games last season.

Good stats
Set the all-time flyers record for longest shutout streak
Made it past the first round
Only 7.5 seasons left at a decent cap hit (maybe a little long)

I just don't get the hate? Seems like a goalie a lot of teams could use. Also, it's been ONE season! Don't throw him to the curve so quickly!

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01-09-2013, 08:13 PM
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K I've got to ask...why do so many seem to think Bryz is worth next to nothing?
Admittedly, I did not watch many flyers games last season.

Good stats
Set the all-time flyers record for longest shutout streak
Made it past the first round
Only 7.5 seasons left at a decent cap hit (maybe a little long)

I just don't get the hate? Seems like a goalie a lot of teams could use. Also, it's been ONE season! Don't throw him to the curve so quickly!
That's "curb". I would have given you credit for missing the b and hitting the v, but the e at the end ruined any chances of that.

As for me he is simply too inconsistent. You never know when the roof will cave in, and it often seems to happen in big moments.

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That's "curb". I would have given you credit for missing the b and hitting the v, but the e at the end ruined any chances of that.

As for me he is simply too inconsistent. You never know when the roof will cave in, and it often seems to happen in big moments.

Auto-correct. Sent it from my iPhone. Hit the v, then space. Anyways.....

Inconsistent? He's been one of the better goalies the past few years and a isn't far removed from being a vezina finalist. I'm not saying he was fantastic last year, but to suggest buying him out after one season that wasnt vezina-worthy seems just odd too me.

Then again, I'm a sens fan who has never had a goalie of Bryz's kind (except Hasek, and we'll see about Anderson).

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01-09-2013, 09:53 PM
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the answer is easy :

Summer 2011, how many team was willing to outbid the Flyers to acquire Bryzgalov?

And since Bryzgalov underperformed and the cap will go down, are they more or less willing to acquire him?

A rules of thumbs : in general, a UFA signing with the team offering him the most $ have a negative value around the league, since no other team was willing to have him at this $ without giving any asset.

of course there are exception to this rule.

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Bryzgalov has negative value because he was on HBO and let in that one goal.

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the answer is easy :

Summer 2011, how many team was willing to outbid the Flyers to acquire Bryzgalov?

And since Bryzgalov underperformed and the cap will go down, are they more or less willing to acquire him?
Well first off no team was willing to outbid the flyers. For all we know, there were 6-8 teams trying to acquire Bryz 's rights and the flyers offered the most. He had a good year, not as good as his previous few years but still good. I imagine that a few teams would look at him if he was available.

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Well first off no team was willing to outbid the flyers. For all we know, there were 6-8 teams trying to acquire Bryz 's rights and the flyers offered the most. He had a good year, not as good as his previous few years but still good. I imagine that a few teams would look at him if he was available.
So, they was not willing to give an UFA Bryzgalov the same money flyers did.....but now they would be willing to give asset to acquire Bryzgalov on a contract exceeding was they was willing to offer him as UFA ?

If you are not willing to acquire a car at 10 000$, chance are you wont be willing, one year later, to trade your current car to acquire this car at 15 000$

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So, they was not willing to give Bryzgalov as UFA the same money flyers did.....but they would be willing to give asset to acquire Bryzgalov on a contract exceeding was they was willing to give him as UFA ?
They might be willing to if they sent a bad contract the other way, like Komisarek, along with a piece of middling value.

Or if the Flyers take part of his cap hit.

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They might be willing to if they sent a bad contract the other way, like Komisarek, along with a piece of middling value.

Or if the Flyers take part of his cap hit.
yes this could be possible.

Is Vancouver interested?


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K I've got to ask...why do so many seem to think Bryz is worth next to nothing?
Admittedly, I did not watch many flyers games last season.

Good stats
Set the all-time flyers record for longest shutout streak
Made it past the first round
Only 7.5 seasons left at a decent cap hit (maybe a little long)

I just don't get the hate? Seems like a goalie a lot of teams could use. Also, it's been ONE season! Don't throw him to the curve so quickly!
As someone who has watched Bryz play all last season and followed him a bit when he was doing well with Phoenix, I also don't understand the hate. Sure, he had too many games in the first half of the season where it seemed like he was playing with his eyes closed, but he definitely tightened up in the second half. He had a couple bad games against the Pens but was otherwise decent and even good against the Devils.

This is just a forum with people who love to have extreme opinions though, I for one have confidence that Bryz figured out his issues from last season and will continue to play well for the Flyers. I also think that as our team improves with age, Bryz will also have a chance to flaunt his abilities

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Depends on what his contract request would be after philly buys him out.
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