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Michael Del Zotto agrees to terms with NYR (Brooks: 2 years, ~$2.55M per)

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01-10-2013, 11:38 AM
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Del Z will get probably close to what he wants.

But, in doing so, he will be in a similar position to Dubinsky. You don't perform, your gone next season.

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You punch in the TOI statistics to get a perspective on what i'm getting at here.

Del Zotto logged 4:11 of PP ice time a game last season. That was 3rd highest figure In the league. Behind Malkin and Kovalchuk.

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I see Stralman as an offensive dman but beyond that I see your point.

If we gave Stralman the same kind of power play time with the players we did DZ, I think he very well might put up 40 points.
I'm just hoping that Stralman can repeat what he did last year. I like him but he's a big question mark. If he can't repeat I would imagine that at some point this season we rush up McIlrath.

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01-10-2013, 11:39 AM
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offensive defensmen are arguably the most saught after commodity in the NHL today and inhernetly require overpayment to aquire

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01-10-2013, 11:44 AM
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I see Stralman as an offensive dman but beyond that I see your point.

If we gave Stralman the same kind of power play time with the players we did DZ, I think he very well might put up 40 points.
I don't know maybe. I really think Stralman's ceiling would be 30 points. While Del Zotto's ceiling could be 55 points now that you add Nash into the equation.

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01-10-2013, 11:49 AM
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I don't know maybe. I really think Stralman's ceiling would be 30 points. While Del Zotto's ceiling could be 55 points now that you add Nash into the equation.
Eh, Stralsy potted 34 points with Columbus a couple years ago. The last two years he played at basically a 30-point pace. This will be the most talented team he's played with by far, so I don't think a prorated 40-point year is unrealistic.

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01-10-2013, 11:51 AM
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I'm happy to have MDZ on the team but I don't think we should be handing out big time money to the kid, when a lot of what he has done has been a product of the situation he was placed into.

When he made the team as a 19 year old it was a product of this team having had no real puck mover since Leetch. Rozsival and Poti were adequate but nothing more in that regard. The entirety of his first season was trying to spring Gaborik on breakaway passes. We've given the kid so many opportunities that he would've had to be totally inadequate to not put up decent offensive production. Rozy got 40 points with top PP time So did Kurtis Foster.

You have to be careful with these kid of kids, is what i'm saying. My memories of Del Zotto last year include an abundance of 2nd assists dishing the puck over to Richards and letting him do the work. Oh, and a lot of pucks hitting the boards as well from his shooting opportunities.

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Eh, Stralsy potted 34 points with Columbus a couple years ago. The last two years he played at basically a 30-point pace. This will be the most talented team he's played with by far, so I don't think a prorated 40-point year is unrealistic.

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Maybe so, but it is a good problem to have. Regardless of that, I still don't think stralman is of the talent that del zotto is. MDZ is a quicker more aggressive player when it comes to offense. He joins the rush a lot more. You get him on the ice with some of these guys and in an 82 game season he can net 55 points imo.

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Yeah I agree that Del Zotto is far more talented than Stralman.

FTR, Stralman averages .35 points per game in his NHL career. That's 29 points in an 82 game season.

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01-10-2013, 11:58 AM
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Performance bonuses can not be used to satisfy the floor. The NHL explained in their October proposal.

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We are proposing that a Club's Lower Limit obligation be satisfied without reference to (or inclusion of) performance bonuses. This will effectively increase the minimum commitment of actual compensation paid by the "Lower Limit Clubs" to Players. The proposal acknowledges the League's agreement to a request made by the NHLPA earlier in our negotiations.
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Yeah I agree that Del Zotto is far more talented than Stralman.

FTR, Stralman averages .35 points per game in his NHL career. That's 29 points in an 82 game season.
What's Del Zotto's? Even though I know people will make the argument that del zotto has been on better teams.

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Edmonton will never oblige to the Eklund scoop that they would send us a "ELC" player for MDZ.

But lets be hypothetical and say that such a deal went through.

We would then ice something like this for the 2013 season:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.875m) / Nail Yakupov ($3.775m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
Micheal Haley ($0.600m) / Jeff Halpern ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
UFA - Something like Mark Eaton ($2.000m) / Steve Eminger ($0.750m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

BUYOUTS
Chris Drury ($1.667m)

GROUNDED
Wade Redden

LTIR
Michael Sauer ($1.250m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000
CAP PAYROLL: $70,633,334
BONUSES (DEFERRABLE): $4,100,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,666,666
LTIR: $1,250,000

Plenty of space and assets for a deadline pickup on D as well
Next year would get tricky - but plenty of assets in the cupboard at that stage too.
You GOTTA DO a MDZ for Yakupov trade. BUT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

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What's Del Zotto's? Even though I know people will make the argument that del zotto has been on better teams.
.43 points per game, or 37 points per season.

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Would anyone here do a 1-for-1 trade with Del Zotto and Yakupov?
You'd have to think about it.

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I wouldn't want to move MDZ, but if he is asking for ~4 (random number) or more than it has to be looked at. If you give MDZ too much, what will McDonagh ask for?

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I wouldn't want to move MDZ, but if he is asking for ~4 (random number) or more than it has to be looked at. If you give MDZ too much, what will McDonagh ask for?
That is the underlying issue. You can;t pay MDZ too much because then it inflates McDonagh's salary who is by far the better all around player.

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I wouldn't want to move MDZ, but if he is asking for ~4 (random number) or more than it has to be looked at. If you give MDZ too much, what will McDonagh ask for?
If he gets his offensive production kicked up a notch this year while keeping his defensive game in-tact, I'd say we're easily looking north of $4M. Just depends on whether or not the brass thinks they have a bonafide #1 on their hands. If that's the case, I don't think a $4.5MM+/yr deal over 4-5 years is out of the question.

How much McD gets paid is entirely on him. Has very little to do with Del Zotto, IMO.

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If he gets his offensive production kicked up a notch this year while keeping his defensive game in-tact, I'd say we're easily looking north of $4M. Just depends on whether or not the brass thinks they have a bonafide #1 on their hands. If that's the case, I don't think a $4.5MM+/yr deal over 4-5 years is out of the question.

How much McD gets paid is entirely on him. Has very little to do with Del Zotto, IMO.
If they are going to pay him more than Staal and Girardi received than I want it to be a 7 year deal. I would give him 2 years (which keeps him as a RFA at the end) around 2.5-2.75 million. Let him earn his next big contract.

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I'm just hoping that Stralman can repeat what he did last year. I like him but he's a big question mark. If he can't repeat I would imagine that at some point this season we rush up McIlrath.
I'm hoping Sauer will be back to prevent that from happening.

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You'd have to think about it.
What? Edm would never even consider that.

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Del Zotto, 22, is coming off his three-year, entry-level contract. He's believed to be looking for between $3 million and $4 million a season on a new multi-year contract.
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The Rangers’ offer to Group II free agent Michael Del Zotto coming off his Entry Level deal was for two or three years at upward of $2.5 million per. If the cap is squeezed coming out of the lockout, Del Zotto, who may see his arbitration rights and free-agent eligibility deferred as a result of the agreement, will get less; perhaps significantly less.
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Seeking between 3-4 million on a multi-year deal.

Kid is simply not worth it. Like a broken record. This isn't about this season. Look beyond. There are core players that you invest in, and others that need to be sacrificed.

McDonagh, Staal, Girardi, Lundqvist, Stepan, Callahan, Kreider, Hagelin ALL need new contracts VERY soon. ALL of them are more important to this team moving forward.

Gaborik and Del Zotto could and would bring back a lot of value. It would clear enough cap space to retain the bulk of the core. And restock the farm system at the same time. And leave spare room for veteran depth on the blue line.

The Rangers would still be a contender.

Cap decreasing means tough decisions are to be made this summer.

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I have to think McD will get less than MDZ, simply because offensive d-men usually get undeservedly higher contracts, than better, more defensive players

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sather is great at low balling these players. i expect any where from 2.7-3.2m for 3 years years

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I'm gonna guess 6.5 mil over 2 years.

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