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PK Subban for Nail Yakupov

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01-10-2013, 01:09 PM
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Oilers would love to add PK Subban. Giving up Yakupov before he even plays a season? Not a chance. After watching him, I feel very comfortable saying the kid has 50 goal potential. Wasnt he right up with the KHL leaders in GPG, even with limited icetime and poor linemates?

Not a deal I would entertain as an Oilers fan. Give the kid a couple seasons and I think his value will be sky high.

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01-10-2013, 01:11 PM
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Scoring wingers are a lot easier to come by than puck-moving offensive d-men. Bergevin does not do this if he is smart.
EDM has Petry, Whitney and now Schultz to move the puck.. Marincin, Gernat are also offensive Dmen coming down the pipe.. Klefbom is supposedly another puck mover..

Subban would be a great addition to PP.. But EDM already had a good PP before the addition of Schultz.. We need a big shut down defensive Dman more than a puck mover.

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01-10-2013, 01:16 PM
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EDM has Petry, Whitney and now Schultz to move the puck.. Marincin, Gernat are also offensive Dmen coming down the pipe.. Klefbom is supposedly another puck mover..

Subban would be a great addition to PP.. But EDM already had a good PP before the addition of Schultz.. We need a big shut down defensive Dman more than a puck mover.
None of those guys are as good as Subban.

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From a fan of neither team - pretty fair trade....which obviously means fans of each team will either over-rate their own player or demand picks to be thrown in

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I enjoy when PK comes to town and will moreso in a few years when he faces his brother.


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EDM has Petry, Whitney and now Schultz to move the puck.. Marincin, Gernat are also offensive Dmen coming down the pipe.. Klefbom is supposedly another puck mover..

Subban would be a great addition to PP.. But EDM already had a good PP before the addition of Schultz.. We need a big shut down defensive Dman more than a puck mover.
To reiterate:

"Scoring wingers are a lot easier to come by than puck-moving offensive d-men. Bergevin does not do this if he is smart."

Clearly, I am *not* making the above statement from Edmonton's perspective.

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01-10-2013, 01:23 PM
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None of those guys are as good as Subban.
they dont have to be as long as they can hold their own and put up similar stats.
Petry proved that he could play the tough minutes, can hit, can block shot.
J.Schultz has proven that he can be a decent option on the PP. We are fine with these 2 plus N.Schultz rounding off the right side.

MTL fans tend to bash on the unproven prospects until the wonder boy Galchenyuk is borught up. Trade Galy for Fowler or Gardiner if puck movers are that valuable.

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they dont have to be as long as they can hold their own and put up similar stats.
Petry proved that he could play the tough minutes, can hit, can block shot.
J.Schultz has proven that he can be a decent option on the PP. We are fine with these 2 plus N.Schultz rounding off the right side.

MTL fans tend to bash on the unproven prospects until the wonder boy Galchenyuk is borught up. Trade Galy for Fowler or Gardiner if puck movers are that valuable.
ALL fans do that, dont kid yourself.

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Why would MTL do this? Yakupov is a gamble, first overall picks don't always pan out. We KNOW that Subban is a legit top-pairing defenceman and future star.

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I think Subban will bring the Oilers more closer and faster in becoming a Contender team than Yakupov. Therefore, Yakupov + 2nd round 2013 for PK Subban.
If any team would add, it would be Montreal not Edmonton.

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To reiterate:

"Scoring wingers are a lot easier to come by than puck-moving offensive d-men. Bergevin does not do this if he is smart."

Clearly, I am *not* making the above statement from Edmonton's perspective.
how about elite scoring wingers? Assuming you are a DAL fan.. would you trade Eriksson for a puck moving Dman (Fowler?)? Yakupov is projected to be much better than Loui.

EDM needs a Fistric to round out the D more than a Subban who will cost an arm and a leg.

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If any team would add, it would be Montreal not Edmonton.

Yes I agree. Subban for Yakupov and to sweeten the deal, The Habs will also throw in Gomez.

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Yes I agree. Subban for Yakupov and to sweeten the deal, The Habs will also throw in Gomez.
You can count on Horcoff going to other way then.

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how about elite scoring wingers? Assuming you are a DAL fan.. would you trade Eriksson for a puck moving Dman (Fowler?)? Yakupov is projected to be much better than Loui.

EDM needs a Fistric to round out the D more than a Subban who will cost an arm and a leg.
Thats the problem with your argument. proven talent and potential is not the same thing.

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Trade Galy for Fowler or Gardiner if puck movers are that valuable.
Galchenyuk *is* unproven. That said, Galchenyuk is another breed of hard-to-find commodity i.e., top-line playmaking center...or rather, he is projected to be one in the future. Montreal is likely to hold on to him and groom him as a future no.1 center.

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You can count on Horcoff going to other way then.

I dont think you got the point of my post. In terms of value, Subban has more value. In the future who knows but today....Subban holds more value than yakupov.

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how about elite scoring wingers? Assuming you are a DAL fan.. would you trade Eriksson for a puck moving Dman (Fowler?)? Yakupov is projected to be much better than Loui.

EDM needs a Fistric to round out the D more than a Subban who will cost an arm and a leg.
What a terrible post. Eriksson is worth much more than Yakupov right now. Just because Yakupov is "projected" to be better doesn't mean he is worth as much or more than Eriksson.

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This has been done to death. No interest at all in this deal from an Oiler POV. Yakupov is going to be dynamite for us.

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they dont have to be as long as they can hold their own and put up similar stats.
Petry proved that he could play the tough minutes, can hit, can block shot.
J.Schultz has proven that he can be a decent option on the PP. We are fine with these 2 plus N.Schultz rounding off the right side.

MTL fans tend to bash on the unproven prospects until the wonder boy Galchenyuk is borught up. Trade Galy for Fowler or Gardiner if puck movers are that valuable.
The Habs already have a better version of those players. Why would they do that?

If the deal made sense for The Habs, Gally would be available.

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This has been done to death. No interest at all in this deal from an Oiler POV. Yakupov is going to be dynamite for us.
Maybe..but maybe not

no one knows for sure...thats my point.

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how about elite scoring wingers? Assuming you are a DAL fan.. would you trade Eriksson for a puck moving Dman (Fowler?)? Yakupov is projected to be much better than Loui.

EDM needs a Fistric to round out the D more than a Subban who will cost an arm and a leg.


Yakupov is NOT an elite scoring winger unless he proves to be one at the NHL level.

Also, you need to calm down and stop acting ******** over nothing. I am not putting down EDM or Yakupov at all. I am merely stating that Bergevin will hold on to Subban (and Galchenyuk) because that's the better option for their organization. If they lose Subban, then they have to rely on Markov, whose status is still unclear and last I checked, no team is handing out PMDs like candy (do you?). Even we overpaid to keep our existing PMD in Goligoski. I am keeping this strictly about MTL and MTL alone. Get it?

To answer your rhetorical question: I am NOT going to deal Eriksson for Fowler. No, not even for Yakupov who is (ready for this?) still an unproven commodity. Had you mentioned any other WELL-ESTABLISHED PMD with as much miles as Eriksson, then I would have definitely considered. Fowler clearly is not that player yet.

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Maybe..but maybe not

no one knows for sure...thats my point.
Exactly. Subban is already dynamite.

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Exactly. Subban is already dynamite.
Boom!


you win the prize for logic PD

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What a terrible post. Eriksson is worth much more than Yakupov right now. Just because Yakupov is "projected" to be better doesn't mean he is worth as much or more than Eriksson.
As long as you admit that Ericsson is worth much much more than Galchenyuk I will take no issues with you post.

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As long as you admit that Ericsson is worth much much more than Galchenyuk I will take no issues with you post.
You really dont see the difference do you?

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