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01-10-2013, 01:33 PM
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Something like Read, Grossmann and a 1st for Edler (assuming he agrees on an extension with us) is definitely a reasonable offer.
Severe overpayment.

Nobody gets two roster players and a 1st.

Standard: decent roster player + top prospect/low pick + decent prospect/high pick.

That is industry standard. It's been going in roughly the same model for years.

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01-10-2013, 01:40 PM
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Except Voracek is three years younger then Setoguchi. So in development terms Voracek's 2011-2012 season was equivalent to Setoguchi's 2007-2008 season. If in three years Voracek regress to where he's a 40 pt player, then yes, Setoguchi would be a good comparison to Voracek.
Right, which is why my proposal is Voracek straight up. No picks or prospects. Read doesn't interest me (nor would it Gillis, who has stated he wants to get bigger and younger) in the slightest.

You guys don't want to part with him, that's fine. But Vancouver doesn't really have any reason to send one of our best defencemen for Matt Read - it would serve no purpose for the Canucks whatsoever.

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What about:

PHI: Rob Luongo, Alexander Edler

VAN: Matt Read, Braydon Coburn, 2013 1st

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01-10-2013, 01:43 PM
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How did this turn into a Elder thread? The Flyers are not a player away and even if they were, Elder is not that player. I would rather the Flyers trade Read and or lesser prospects than Laughton for a midtier defensemen wih good potential like McBain, Blum, or Leddy. The prospect pool and roster is not to the point where it can be gutted with multiple players and high draft picks for one player. And there are no players available for a 33 year old goalie with questionable playoff performances and 10 years left on his deal; they pretty much have one of those.

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01-10-2013, 01:44 PM
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What I don't get is why Couts or Schenn names are being thrown out there.

Our offer per Dreger for Weber was Mez+Read+1st and other picks.

He wouldn't even put Schenn or Couts in for him. I just don't understand it really.

Voracek wasn't offered either. Nor was Coburn.

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01-10-2013, 01:46 PM
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PHI: Rob Luongo, Alexander Edler

VAN: Matt Read, Braydon Coburn, 2013 1st
Coburn is a non-starter. And I would not trade him straight up for Edler considering all factors.

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What I don't get is why Couts or Schenn names are being thrown out there.

Our offer per Dreger for Weber was Mez+Read+1st and other picks.

He wouldn't even put Schenn or Couts in for him. I just don't understand it really.

Voracek wasn't offered either. Nor was Coburn.
I think it was Ray F***tardo that started that rumor.

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Coburn is a non-starter. And I would not trade him straight up for Edler considering all factors.
Strange since Edler is better, but okay.

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Strange since Edler is better, but okay.
Strange that you're so sure about that. Better yes? But Coburn has a particular role within the Flyers' organization.

When Edler is under contract I'd do it.

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What I don't get is why Couts or Schenn names are being thrown out there.

Our offer per Dreger for Weber was Mez+Read+1st and other picks.

He wouldn't even put Schenn or Couts in for him. I just don't understand it really.

Voracek wasn't offered either. Nor was Coburn.
If anything that proves my point even more. Philly did not get Weber as the package they were offering was not good enough. They then went the offersheet route and we all know how that turned out.

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How did this turn into a Elder thread? The Flyers are not a player away and even if they were, Elder is not that player. I would rather the Flyers trade Read and or lesser prospects than Laughton for a midtier defensemen wih good potential like McBain, Blum, or Leddy. The prospect pool and roster is not to the point where it can be gutted with multiple players and high draft picks for one player. And there are no players available for a 33 year old goalie with questionable playoff performances and 10 years left on his deal; they pretty much have one of those.
Because hes the only peice on Vancouver that makes sense for the Flyers.

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Strange since Edler is better, but okay.
Offensively sure. Defensively no hes not. Regardless Coburn is not going anywhere. He is the longest tenured Flyer and our #1 going into the season. The point of getting another top pairing D-man is to play with him.

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Edler is the better player, but what would be the point of trading Coburn(under contract till 2015) for a rental. I understand Luongo is coming in, but we are looking to improve on defense, not trade them away.

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If anything that proves my point even more. Philly did not get Weber as the package they were offering was not good enough. They then went the offersheet route and we all know how that turned out.
Edler is no where close to Weber though. And Weber was an RFA not a UFA.

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If anything that proves my point even more. Philly did not get Weber as the package they were offering was not good enough. They then went the offersheet route and we all know how that turned out.
If they didn't include them for Weber, why do you think they will for Edler?

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Edler is no where close to Weber though. And Weber was an RFA not a UFA.
True. But it does prove that other teams, as a general rule of thumb, aren't giving up valuable pieces for spare parts and late picks.

For Weber I think Nashville probably would've required one of Schenn or Coots, a 1st and more.

For Edler - not that I have any connections to the team or anything, I feel Voracek would be appropriate.

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01-10-2013, 01:55 PM
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3.5 years of Voracek > half a year of Edler
Wait I thought you guys would be able to sign him? Why wouldn't you be able to?

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From TSN:

On Thursday, Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren shot down the rumours.

"That made me chuckle," Holmgren told the Daily News. "It's safe to say those rumours aren't true. They have no basis or merit."

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If they didn't include them for Weber, why do you think they will for Edler?
I have never proposed or stated any of those players for Luongo, I think that is ridiculous.

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True. But it does prove that other teams, as a general rule of thumb, aren't giving up valuable pieces for spare parts and late picks.

For Weber I think Nashville probably would've required one of Schenn or Coots, a 1st and more.

For Edler - not that I have any connections to the team or anything, I feel Voracek would be appropriate.
If Edler wants to be a Flyer next season he will be.

Give Holmgren a chance to throw his money around, and Holmgren is an easy man to predict.

Buyout Bryz/sign Edler. I can live with that as a 2013 offseason. Let's hope.

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Wait I thought you guys would be able to sign him? Why wouldn't you be able to?
Why risk it?

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True. But it does prove that other teams, as a general rule of thumb, aren't giving up valuable pieces for spare parts and late picks..
Or you could say, considering he wasn't traded to anyone, that teams aren't going to give up their future for one player, or that Nashville was unrealistic in what they thought fair market value was, and therefore priced themselves out of the market. Or that they never had any intention of trading him unless a team did something crazy like give up several high value pieces.

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How did this turn into a Elder thread? The Flyers are not a player away and even if they were, Elder is not that player. I would rather the Flyers trade Read and or lesser prospects than Laughton for a midtier defensemen wih good potential like McBain, Blum, or Leddy. The prospect pool and roster is not to the point where it can be gutted with multiple players and high draft picks for one player. And there are no players available for a 33 year old goalie with questionable playoff performances and 10 years left on his deal; they pretty much have one of those.
Because we might trade something of value or edler. We won't for Lou.

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True. But it does prove that other teams, as a general rule of thumb, aren't giving up valuable pieces for spare parts and late picks.

For Weber I think Nashville probably would've required one of Schenn or Coots, a 1st and more.

For Edler - not that I have any connections to the team or anything, I feel Voracek would be appropriate.
Voracek is our first line RW going into the year, I know you want him so does every other team in the league. You aren't going to get 3.5 years of Voracek for half a year of a D-man who we have no idea whether he wants to sign here or not. We aren't getting Hamhuis'd again. And we sure as hell aren't going to give up Voracek to get him. Speaking of which do you know what we gave up for Hamhuis? A late round draft pick and a broken Ryan Parent. Then we traded him to Pitt of all teams for a 3rd round draft pick.

Btw since when is Matt Read, a defensivily responsible rookie who put up 24 goals and 48 pts has wheels and can play all 3 forward positions as well as the point on the PP and our first round pick from last year who has a chance to make our roster as a 18 year old spare parts? Yea Read is 25. He also is cost controlled at 800k a year for the next 3 years.

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01-10-2013, 02:33 PM
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Why risk it?
Well I've seen a lot of fans who seem pretty assured that money is there & thats what you need to get Edler. Add to that he is a need in Philly. Where is the risk? I mean if he is leaving Van in the Summer money will be the ultimate factor.

In saying this I don't think he leaves Vancouver. Meshes too well with the Sedins & is a core member.

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No, no, no. And no. RT @mpochylko: @BroadStBull any truth to the luongo to philly rumors?
he's been asked multiple times and he's pretty adamant about his answer. funny how all the flyers insiders or whatever you want to call them on twitter say there is nothing to this rumor and yet we continue as if there actually is something to it.

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