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01-10-2013, 05:48 PM
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wouldve loved to see luongo in net for the devils since brodeur is soon to be done

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Personally I don't see him going to Toronto at all. Stealth Gillis will either strike a silently reported deal with Tallon or someone unexpected.

However, to answer your question, let me respond with a question. If you could go back in time and trade Ohlund when he was 24 for a top ten goaltender so that the Canucks from 2001-2004 had an excellent opportunity to go farther into the playoffs, wouldn't you do that trade in a heartbeat?

As is, guys like Ohlund, Naslund, Bertuzzi and any number of "star" players and prospects accomplished nothing but personal stars and team failure, with a good deal of criticism rightfully directed at a GM with an inability to shore up his goaltending.

People act like Luongo was a final building block on a team close to playoff success. It isn't true. Bertuzzi was part of the trade and the other two first line teammates were on the decline and on their way out the door. Kesler and Burrows didn't even crack 20 points in Luongo's first year here. The team was a trap style defensive team that overachieved in front of a top notch goalie. He allowed them to develop and compete and attract free agents and retain players cheaper because he made the team a threat.
I suppose I'm a little confused about your "rebuttal question". This is a team that finished 5th last, last year. If you think of Jake Gardiner as a "building block" and we know Nonis does, no, I do not think it's a great idea to move him for a 34 year old goaltender. Luongo in my eyes guarantees Toronto a playoff spot but not a lot more. It'd mean they have Phaneuf, Komisarek, Liles, Gunnarsson, and an 18 year old Rielly moving forward in front of him. And still no 1st line C, and nothing to acquire one with.

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I'm guessing you haven't seen a lot of good goaltending recently. You are forgiven.
To be fair, good goaltending is overrated. The most fun I've had watching hockey since I was 8 or 9 years old was the Philly-Pittsburgh series last year.

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Yes. But he's no Monster!
I'm guessing you haven't seen a lot of good goaltending recently. You are forgiven.
I saw Luongo vs LA as a prime example of the opposite.

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01-10-2013, 05:51 PM
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wouldve loved to see luongo in net for the devils since brodeur is soon to be done
The Vancouver fans will be asking for Henrique+Larsson in no time

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No, they don't. They just got a new GM.

He will be given time. In his first conference as GM he has talked about patience.


At least I think. Although with the timing of the Burke firing I honestly have no idea what management will do.
I guess 8 seasons with no playoff games doesn't bring pressure? Or not having a playoff game in the NHL's biggest market since 2004? Or the fact that Nonis has been part of the management group for four years?

This zero pressure and no need to make the playoffs this year is hogwash.

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To be fair, good goaltending is overrated. The most fun I've had watching hockey since I was 8 or 9 years old was the Philly-Pittsburgh series last year.
I have to agree with you on that. That was just a great series!
It reminded me of old run and gun hockey.

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This is another inconsistency I've noticed (and I'm not picking on you specifically).

I've been to the Canucks board - essentially EVERYTHING on the Leafs roster or in the cupboard is labeled as garbage except for Rielly and Gardiner - and then they try to argue that it's a good idea to trade one of the only two things that aren't garbage.

Ok... that... does not go together.
Yes, there are loads of stupid fans on these boards.

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I guess 8 seasons with no playoff games doesn't bring pressure? Or not having a playoff game in the NHL's biggest market since 2004? Or the fact that Nonis has been part of the management group for four years?

This zero pressure and no need to make the playoffs this year is hogwash.
There's always pressure.

That doesn't mean you accept any deal that gets you there with no consideration for the future.

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01-10-2013, 05:53 PM
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Burke is better than Gillis. Presidents trophies don't usurp a cup.
Burke's team in Anaheim was already built for him

I could have won a cup as a GM of that team too.

so I'm not sure what your point is?

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I saw Luongo vs LA as a prime example of the opposite.
Quit rubbing it in!
Just because you guys are stacked in goal with Scrivens/Reimer is no reason to mock other less fortunate teams.

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no, you're confused. Being proven means nothing. That's why luongo with the best or second best stats since the lockout only returns bozak and is a far inferior goalie to the great halak. You need to focus more on potential.
his contract is brutal. Do you not realize that? He is also 34 freaking years old.

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01-10-2013, 05:55 PM
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his contract is brutal. Do you not realize that? He is also 34 freaking years old.
A: He's 33.

B: The contract has risk and perhaps potential to be a burden, but as of this moment it is not a brutal contract at all.

Do you not realize that?

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01-10-2013, 05:56 PM
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Burke's team in Anaheim was already built for him

I could have won a cup as a GM of that team too.

so I'm not sure what your point is?
All 6 Dmen and more than half the forwards were brought in by Burke. But you could have done that right?

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I saw Luongo vs LA as a prime example of the opposite.
That's your future goalie you're disparaging. You don't see us Vancouver fans on here talking down Gardiner.

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Halak is ore valuable than Schneider.. almost the same age but Halak is more proven.
Good. Maybe Dave can trade Bozak for Halak. Seems like a good fit.

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his contract is brutal. Do you not realize that? He is also 34 freaking years old.
Well if he's 26 years old he's probably not available and if he is you can start with Gardiner, the first and Kadri and build from there.

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01-10-2013, 05:56 PM
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his contract is brutal. Do you not realize that? He is also 34 freaking years old.
Yeah, Luongo is 34 and signed until he's 44 and on the downside of his career and is overpaid.

He's 33, signed until he's 42, posted numbers identical to his career average, and is paid less than guys like Bryzgalov and Lehtonen

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That's your future goalie you're disparaging. You don't see us Vancouver fans on here talking down Gardiner.
Well played.

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Burke's team in Anaheim was already built for him

I could have won a cup as a GM of that team too.

so I'm not sure what your point is?
Yeah I'm sure he didn't bring in Beauchemin or Pronger or Niedermayer. He basically rebuilt Anaheim's defense in one off season and won a cup the next year. What more can you say?

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Burke's team in Anaheim was already built for him

I could have won a cup as a GM of that team too.

so I'm not sure what your point is?
lol you're the definition of an arm chair GM

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01-10-2013, 05:58 PM
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Quit rubbing it in!
Just because you guys are stacked in goal with Scrivens/Reimer is no reason to mock other less fortunate teams.

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That's your future goalie you're disparaging. You don't see us Vancouver fans on here talking down Gardiner.
You're dreaming

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A: He's 33.

B: The contract has risk and perhaps potential to be a burden, but as of this moment it is not a brutal contract at all.

Do you not realize that?
It's not brutal at all..Come again? Ohhhh not at this moment..gotcha. So you want us to give up Gardiner for a few years of finishing in 7-8th barely making the playoffs losing in the first or second round and then dealing with the consequences later on while you guys get 10+ years of Gardiner who has potential to be a #2 D man down the road. You Canuck fans are so ridiculous lol

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This would be a lot easier if the Leafs has some better prospects, its amazing how a team can be bad for so long and only have 2 mobile D prospects and a bunch of grinding forward prospects to show for it.

There isn't one blue chip forward prospect in that system.

I think it's generous of the Canucks to even consider a package built around a soon to be free agent 3rd line C Bozak, an unproven potential second line Kadri that hasn't shown he can play at that level in the NHL despite his good hands, and a 2nd rounder. That isn't a special package. Canucks may not have anything to show for that deal in a year or two, 7th overall picks bust all the time, Kari might end up bouncing around.

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